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Another amazing "Only in America" story, and how did he get so fat after all those years eating prison meals?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/853...to-be-executed

The REAL crazy aspect is that they kept him frozen for 29 years THIS is what I regard as torture ! He now is 53, so that he was sentenced when being 24 . After such a time, he ought to be pardoned and released as having served long enough
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Re: Too fat to be executed

isn't there a better method? e.g. carbon monoxide
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Where I come from, there's nothing wrong with murderers having a tortuous and lingering death.
Death tends to be tortuous. But the death penalty should be abolished in any modern and civilized country anyway
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Old 18.09.2012, 13:31
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frozen [I]
frozen?... ok yes his freedom of movement was restricted, but he would have access to training courses, a fully equipped gym, apparently a fully equipped cafe

now his victim? .. he was frozen.
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"Complications during lethal injection have surfaced before in overweight prisoners, with executioners taking two hours to find a vein to inject convicted killer Christopher Newton, who weighed 120kg"

Two hours? I sense the problem may lie with the local help.
They had that problem with one of our cats who was dying with cancer. Circulation was so poor that intravenous injection just wasn't working, so in the end the vet just used a long needle and injected directly into the liver.

don't see any reason why they can't do the same here, TBH...

I mean, if you accept the death penalty, per se, I can't see how it makes much difference one way or the other how much the murderer suffers through the process of dying...
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Old 18.09.2012, 13:32
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The REAL crazy aspect is that they kept him frozen for 29 years THIS is what I regard as torture ! He now is 53, so that he was sentenced when being 24 . After such a time, he ought to be pardoned and released as having served long enough
Or put to dead
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so in fact he needs to lose weight so that then he can be killed...
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If you murder someone you (should have) no rights. My opinion.
You have your rights taken away from you, that's correct; I have no issue with that, but having the state kill criminals shouldn't be legal. No one has that right, period.
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Death tends to be tortuous. But the death penalty should be abolished in any modern and civilized country anyway
Why? So he can get fat on food paid for with other people's hard earned money while we keep him in jail for the rest of his life?

There's a very easy way to get him to lose weight. Keep him in solitary confinement, 3 calorie controlled meals a day and plenty of exercise, alone, in the gym/yard/whatever. Pounds will soon drop off and sentence can be carried out. I reckon 6 months to a year at most.
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Old 18.09.2012, 16:37
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Re: Too fat to be executed

Hold your horses folks. No one has said they are going to delay the execution. The article reports that the prisoner has entered a plea for a stay of execution based on his obesity. Two entirely different things.
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Why? So he can get fat on food paid for with other people's hard earned money while we keep him in jail for the rest of his life?

There's a very easy way to get him to lose weight. Keep him in solitary confinement, 3 calorie controlled meals a day and plenty of exercise, alone, in the gym/yard/whatever. Pounds will soon drop off and sentence can be carried out. I reckon 6 months to a year at most.
May I in future refer to you as "The Essence Of The Milk of Human Kindness"? I think the discussion has moved away from Calorie Man into the domain of questioning the death penalty. Are you personally paying for this dude's internment? You seem to be taking this very personally.
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Hold your horses folks. No one has said they are going to delay the execution. The article reports that the prisoner has entered a plea for a stay of execution based on his obesity. Two entirely different things.
I can see it now.. if he receives a stay of execution fat people everywhere will go on a rampage... murdering, raping, ransacking KFC's... knowing the worst they will get is a prison sentence.
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Re: Too fat to be executed

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I mean, if you accept the death penalty, per se, I can't see how it makes much difference one way or the other how much the murderer suffers through the process of dying...
There was a lovely little film about Britain's last hangman, called Pierrpoint. From all accounts Albert Pierrpoint had an absolute belief in what he was doing, but he still took the time to treat the condemned with humanity and compassion believing that their death would be retribution enough without the added humiliation and distress. Also part of his skill was the efficiency with which he did his job e.g. carefully calibrating the length of rope to the prisoner's weight to ensure instant death (without the added distress to family and witnesses of strangulation or decapitation), and also carrying out executions within seconds from when they were placed in the holding cell so that the accused were barely aware of what was happening.

So to answer your question, I think it does matter that as long as capital punishment exists, people are afforded some dignity in death.
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You have your rights taken away from you, that's correct; I have no issue with that, but having the state kill criminals shouldn't be legal. No one has that right, period.
Sorry Assassin I have to disagree with you on that,and about 15 victims to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo

BTW; Romolka is free and enyos life on a carribian island
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You have your rights taken away from you, that's correct; I have no issue with that, but having the state kill criminals shouldn't be legal. No one has that right, period.
I disagree. If you kill somebody (or a bunch of other offenses) then you are a waste of space and money. Better of without you.


You will maybe think im harsh/irrational etc. Thats fine. We each have our opinions and no point arguing about them. We can agree to disagree and be civil
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The man who was shot and killed in Ibergeregg this past weekend was probably the same man who had broken into my best friend's house a few days before. To top it off, my best friend is terminally ill and left the house in a wheelchair with her husband for only 1.5 hours and interrupted the robbery on their return.

Strange how life works sometimes. To be honest, I feel no pity for the man who was killed.
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Re: Too fat to be executed

Good point, Gata.

So all women who are beaten and pushed to the end of their limits by their husband, and finally snap and end up stabbing him (as an example) are a waste of space and should be executed.

I like people who think in black and white; it's so easy to pull the arguments apart.
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I disagree. If you kill somebody (or a bunch of other offenses) then you are a waste of space and money. Better of without you.
How many rich people are ever executed?
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How many rich people are ever executed?
Well there was OJ, no wait, he didn't serve any time now did he ....?
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I disagree. If you kill somebody (or a bunch of other offenses) then you are a waste of space and money. Better of without you.


You will maybe think im harsh/irrational etc. Thats fine. We each have our opinions and no point arguing about them. We can agree to disagree and be civil
But we can't be civil, can we? The death penalty has no place in a civilised society.

Taking the emotional "rights and wrongs" of whether killing someone for retribution can ever be excused, let's take a step back.

Answer these questions:

Is there any chance that the wrong person could be sent to death row and executed?

I.e. is the justice system infallible?

Given the answer that you are bound to give, is it acceptable to send one innocent person to their death?

If you say yes, then I pray it is never you or someone close to you.
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