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Death tends to be tortuous. But the death penalty should be abolished in any modern and civilized country anyway
a truly "civilized" society wouldn't have to prosecute murders.
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Old 18.09.2012, 19:03
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Good point, Gata.

So all women who are beaten and pushed to the end of their limits by their husband, and finally snap and end up stabbing him (as an example) are a waste of space and should be executed.

I like people who think in black and white; it's so easy to pull the arguments apart.

No because in my (ideal) world abusers also are not worth the air they breathe
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Is there any chance that the wrong person could be sent to death row and executed?

I.e. is the justice system infallible?
Death penalty supporters clearly accept that there will be collateral damage. Stands to reason that this does not matter if the objective is to see someone dead.
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Old 18.09.2012, 19:16
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Good point, Gata.

So all women who are beaten and pushed to the end of their limits by their husband, and finally snap and end up stabbing him (as an example) are a waste of space and should be executed.

I like people who think in black and white; it's so easy to pull the arguments apart.
Not all killers or murders will be executed, nor should they be, but there are some which deserve the death penalty
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Old 18.09.2012, 19:37
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Death penalty supporters clearly accept that there will be collateral damage. Stands to reason that this does not matter if the objective is to see someone dead.
Not so in my case.
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Death penalty supporters clearly accept that there will be collateral damage. Stands to reason that this does not matter if the objective is to see someone dead.
We're way off topic from the relatively light-hearted topic now, aren't we?

We make decisions that see people dead every day, such as by choosing to buy a new computer rather than donating money to starving children. The death penalty is a little more direct, and thus people get up in arms about it.

But neither side will convert; both tend to get emotional and irrational whenever the topic comes up. So can we please go back to the guy who's claiming he's too much of a fatass to take his punishment?
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Old 18.09.2012, 21:29
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Well there was OJ, no wait, he didn't serve any time now did he ....?
I think he's in jail now...Albeit for other crimes. Shame, he was so good in The Naked Gun

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In September 2007, Simpson was arrested in Las Vegas, Nevada, and charged with numerous felonies, including armed robbery and kidnapping.[3] In 2008, he was found guilty[4][5] and sentenced to thirty-three years' imprisonment, with a minimum of nine years without parole.[6] He is serving his sentence at the Lovelock Correctional Center in Lovelock, Nevada.[7]
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This seems like a clever ruse from someone who, by the fact of being incarcerated, has plenty of time to think something like this up.

First, eat everything provided at mealtime as well as anything sent by family in 'care packages' or purchased from the prison canteen. Then, complain about being starved (get a little ACLU help) to get your portions increased. Refuse to do anything laborious, but go to the gym periodically and pretend to exercise. Become morbidly obese. Request a gastric bypass surgery, which would be considered an elective procedure by the prison authorities. Research documentation on lethal injection for morbidly obese persons. Tie all your documentation together and file an appeal. All hypothetical, of course.
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Old 18.09.2012, 21:55
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Re: Too fat to be executed

I actually have mixed feelings about capital punishment... but only because I personally would much rather be put to death painlessly than spend the rest of my life confined to a prison cell.

But one of the big problems with the death penalty is that there is always that chance that the person really is innocent. And now with DNA testing, more and more people that had been convicted years ago are suddenly being found innocent and released.

As for the guy being overweight, it is VERY easy to gain weight in jail/prison... especially if you aren't allowed to get out and exercise. I spent two months in jail when I was 18 for something really stupid I did with some friends (getting revenge on some boys), and I gained about 15 pounds in that two months because the food they serve is very, VERY starchy.
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Another amazing "Only in America" story, and how did he get so fat after all those years eating prison meals?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/853...to-be-executed
Time to re instate the firing squad method.
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Old 18.09.2012, 22:41
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I actually have mixed feelings about capital punishment... but only because I personally would much rather be put to death painlessly than spend the rest of my life confined to a prison cell.

But one of the big problems with the death penalty is that there is always that chance that the person really is innocent. And now with DNA testing, more and more people that had been convicted years ago are suddenly being found innocent and released.

As for the guy being overweight, it is VERY easy to gain weight in jail/prison... especially if you aren't allowed to get out and exercise. I spent two months in jail when I was 18 for something really stupid I did with some friends (getting revenge on some boys), and I gained about 15 pounds in that two months because the food they serve is very, VERY starchy.
While I agree that I have read a lot of reports that there is measurable percentage of innocent people in US prisons to begin with, some one did in fact murder a hotel clerk back in 1983. And a court has convicted this guy of it.

I personally am anti death penalty. There is no clear and even judicial system that covers all 50 states, on when and where one commits murder, who should be executed, and who not. I could be convicted of murdering 30 people in the state of Michigan, and only be sentenced to life in prison. If, however, I kill them in a US post office, which is a federal offence, then I might be able to be executed. Or if I kill someone in Texas, and have the mis fortune of having a darker skin tone, my chances sky rocket for being executed.

There is nothing really gained by using an eye for an eye for a way of dealing with crime. The whole system should be overhauled, and death by execution should cease to exist. Forcing to live until death in mundane conditions, is far more of a punishment, then being knocked unconscience, and put to sleep. But then again, the whole corrections system only serves to detain criminals, and very little to rehabilitate.
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Old 19.09.2012, 02:08
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Re: Too fat to be executed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/se...?newsfeed=true

A other good reason for it
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frozen?... ok yes his freedom of movement was restricted, but he would have access to training courses, a fully equipped gym, apparently a fully equipped cafe

now his victim? .. he was frozen.
He could not go to swim in lakes or the sea. He could not go to walk around in downtown. He could Not go shopping and enjoy a beer or wine in a street cafe. He could not take a bottle of wine home as desired.

His victim ? His victim cannot be returned to live, whatever is done with him. If death penalty then within 3 months. A law should be established in the USA saying that if somebody is sentenced to death and then, whenever, proven not guilty, the chief judge HAS TO BE executed. And that if the sentence cannot be done within 7 months, the sentence is automatically commuted into a life-sentence and the chief judge is to go to prison for 5 months. That would reduce the bloddthirstyness of some of those judges. But again, better abolish the death penalty.
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a truly "civilized" society wouldn't have to prosecute murders.
I do NOT dream about an ideal and perfect society, but accept a NON-ideal society which simply accepts not to be perfect.
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Not all killers or murders will be executed, nor should they be, but there are some which deserve the death penalty
The modern perception is that what is "deserved" is not what is to be done. You only can kill a person once. That man in Oslo would have deserved to meet death 50 times in 20 different forms. BUT his "passings" would not have brought a single victim back to life.

In other words, quite many lifers would indeed deserve the death penalty. The point is that modern countries simply regard the death penalty as such as NO WAY to go.
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You will maybe think im harsh/irrational etc. Thats fine. We each have our opinions and no point arguing about them. We can agree to disagree and be civil
Yes, no its not, yes we do, yes there is (and absolutely when it's capital punishment as a subject). sure, but you're wrong because there is nothing civil about a State taking a human life as revenge.
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Maybe you missed the point. It isn't revenge, it is to stop them doing it again.
Well that's stupid. Most murdurers only kill one person anyway. What you should be doing is executing people before they become murdurers. It saves lives!
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Maybe you missed the point. It isn't revenge, it is to stop them doing it again.
I don't think so. There are a lot of ways to stop criminals of murdering again. I would say most victims families push for the death penalty based on being very emotionally charged. As even in death penalty states, if a victim's family asks for forgiveness onto the killer, the judge often will grant it. Death penalties being issued are not an automatic.
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Well that's stupid. Most murdurers only kill one person anyway. What you should be doing is executing people before they become murdurers. It saves lives!
We^ve already seen that Tom Cruise movie.
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