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Old 20.09.2012, 15:39
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Also, I'd like to see some more assertive candidates also (I thought Cain was great).
Imagine a Herman Cain + Ron Paul ticket?
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Imagine a Herman Cain + Ron Paul ticket?
I liked RP, except for his stance on defense policy. Military isolationism just hasn't worked for the US.
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Old 20.09.2012, 17:09
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Re: Oops......somebody just lost an election...

I'm glad I don't live in America. There are so many things I just don't understand. Actually there are so many things happening in the world that I just can't get my head round. Maybe I'm just too dumb for this world.
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Imagine a Herman Cain + Ron Paul ticket?
Imagine the original system back in place, where the loser of the election became Vice-President. Romney/Obama or Obama/Romney- would this finally bring balance or just painful gridlock?
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I'm glad I don't live in America. There are so many things I just don't understand. Actually there are so many things happening in the world that I just can't get my head round. Maybe I'm just too dumb for this world.
Maybe its not you. Maybe its the World.

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Imagine the original system back in place, where the loser of the election became Vice-President. Romney/Obama or Obama/Romney- would this finally bring balance or just painful gridlock?
Painful gridlock. A bit like now.
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Old 20.09.2012, 19:11
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The worst part of all this is that Americans worry so much about who is President, but cannot tell you who their Representative or Senator is. They keep electing the same bumbling group because of the idiotic seniority system, forgetting that Congress is where most of the stupid shenanigans happen.
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Too intellectual? Wolli, that's insulting. Al Bore certainly had an academic bent, but the way you phrased it, you're just saying Americans are idiots.

Which, right or wrong, is groan-worthy.
This is not the case. "Intellectual" does not mean intelligent. Obama is highly intelligent and is university educated, but is NOT an "intellectual" in the way I have in mind. While Al Gore, of course also intelligent, is a person who shows off his intellectual merits, and tends to teach others, even if not asked to do so. Such people are also not liked in Europe.
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Re: Oops......somebody just lost an election...

the thing I am really looking forward too if Romney gets elected is, the pressure on the swiss banks will finally settle since he most probs does not want certain swiss banks to send there files over to america...
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Old 20.09.2012, 19:44
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the thing I am really looking forward too if Romney gets elected is, the pressure on the swiss banks will finally settle since he most probs does not want certain swiss banks to send there files over to america...
Good reson to run for Pres.
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love it...
Me to! I am sick and tierd to watch "Sesamey Street"year after years on TV
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Old 20.09.2012, 20:08
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A2) Al Gore was too intellectual for the taste of the average US-American
GWB was too intellectual for some Americans I met...
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Old 20.09.2012, 21:36
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I wonder why the USA with its polarised democrats/republicans tradition don't seem to be able to produce a seriously good or at least decent conservative candidate?
The centre has moved so far to the right, that a decent conservative would have little chance of pick up much of the Republic vote!
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Old 21.09.2012, 07:14
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The worst part of all this is that Americans worry so much about who is President, but cannot tell you who their Representative or Senator is. They keep electing the same bumbling group because of the idiotic seniority system, forgetting that Congress is where most of the stupid shenanigans happen.
But this is normal. Most Swiss find it difficult to say who represents their Canton in the Ständerat (Senate) .... in Zürich Dr Gutzwiller & Mrs Diener

Almost nobody knows the names of the Regierungsrats-Präsidenten the fairly powerful Prime Ministers of the Cantons.
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Old 21.09.2012, 08:00
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But this is normal. Most Swiss find it difficult to say who represents their Canton in the Ständerat (Senate) .... in Zürich Dr Gutzwiller & Mrs Diener

Almost nobody knows the names of the Regierungsrats-Präsidenten the fairly powerful Prime Ministers of the Cantons.
Yeah, but simply because it is normal does not also mean it is good. If Americans focused more on holding Congress accountable, the US's financial situation would be much better, for one, as Congress approves all the spending.
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But this is normal. Most Swiss find it difficult to say who represents their Canton in the Ständerat (Senate) .... in Zürich Dr Gutzwiller & Mrs Diener

Almost nobody knows the names of the Regierungsrats-Präsidenten the fairly powerful Prime Ministers of the Cantons.
Most Swiss can't even name the president or vice-president!

A friend's (Ticinese) wife was asked (during a job interview to name the Swiss president. She answered "I have no idea, but I do know that the US president is Ronald Reagan!". She got the job.

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GWB was too intellectual for some Americans I met...
isn't this a bit harsh
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isn't this a bit harsh
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Yeah, but simply because it is normal does not also mean it is good. If Americans focused more on holding Congress accountable, the US's financial situation would be much better, for one, as Congress approves all the spending.
A lot of spending in the USA is decided about by the parliaments or Governors of the US-states, possibly comparable in percentage-points to Switzerland. The share in both the USA and Switzerland is clearly higher than in Germany.

Travelling in the USA, I found out that most Americans tend to be concentrating on their states. My relatives are Texans and Louisianans and tend to fume about those in power in Austin and Baton Rouge. True, in both Switzerland and the USA the public awareness differs from one member of the union to the other. The other side is that, in the large USA clearly far far far more than in small Switzerland, that members of both houses of parliament lose touch with their basis, as staying Washington/DC. And are no longer in the active consideration of people in their home states. Compare this to Switzerland, where also the Bundesräte, while having an apartment in Bern, whenever possible commute home. Commuting times Bern-domicile :
Defence Minister Maurer : 1 hr & 20 minutes
Interior Minister Berset : approx 1 hr
Economy Minister Schneider-Ammann : 40 mins
Foreign Minister Burkhalter : approx 1 hr
Traffic Minister Mrs Leuthard : half an hour or approx 1 hr (dep on place)
Justice Minister Mrs Sommaruga : same as with Mrs Leuthard
Finance Minister Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf : approx 2 hours
--- But even Mrs W-S is known to commute back home whenever possible
-- Most members of the two houses of parliament in Switzerland commute even at "session-time" back home DAILY

Compare it with Germany, where the federalist idea is fairly strong in the South/South-West (Bayern, Baden-Württemberg, Elsass-Lothringen, Hessen, Rheinland-Pfalz, Saarland and Sachsen, but fairly weak in the North which for a long time was part of the Kingdom of Prussia.

Ausdehnung des preußischen Staates
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the area in blue was
Königreich Preussen
- the white areas were other
states within the
Deutsches Reich / German Empire


also in blue in the South of course was Hohenzollern, the home country of the chaps known as
Deutscher Kaiser, König von Preussen


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Old 22.09.2012, 15:33
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A lot of spending in the USA is decided about by the parliaments of Governors of the US-states, possibly comparable in percentage-points to Switzerland. The share in both the USA and Switzerland is clearly higher than in Germany.

Travelling in the USA, I found out that most Americans tend to be concentrating on their states. My relatives are Texans and Louisianans and tend to fume about those in power in Austin and Baton Rouge. True, in both Switzerland and the USA the public awareness differs from one member of the union to the other. The other side is that, in the large USA clearly far far far more than in small Switzerland, that members of both houses of parliament lose touch with their basis, as staying Washington/DC. And are no longer in the active consideration of people in their home states. Compare this to Switzerland, where also the Bundesräte, while having an apartment in Bern, whenever possible commute home. Commuting times Bern-domicile :
Defence Minister Maurer : 1 hr & 20 minutes
Interior Minister Berset : approx 1 hr
Economy Minister Schneider-Ammann : 40 mins
Foreign Minister Burkhalter : approx 1 hr
Traffic Minister Mrs Leuthard : half an hour or approx 1 hr (dep on place)
Justice Minister Mrs Sommaruga : same as with Mrs Leuthard
Finance Minister Mrs Widmer-Schlumpf : approx 2 hours
--- But even Mrs W-S is known to commute back home whenever possible
-- Most members of the two houses of parliament in Switzerland commute even at "session-time" back home DAILY

Compare it with Germany, where the federalist idea is fairly strong in the South/South-West (Bayern, Baden-Württemberg, Elsass-Lothringen, Hessen, Rheinland-Pfalz, Saarland and Sachsen, but fairly weak in the North which for a long time was part of the Kingdom of Prussia.


Ausdehnung des preußischen Staates

(1866–1918)

----------------------------------------------------

the area in blue was
Königreich Preussen
- the white areas were other
states within the
Deutsches Reich / German Empire


also in blue in the South of course was Hohenzollern, the home country of the chaps known as
Deutscher Kaiser, König von Preussen
Whom you telling all this Joe the plumper in the USA . hansueli in pfugen or fritz in germany ?
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I wonder why the USA with its polarised democrats/republicans tradition don't seem to be able to produce a seriously good or at least decent conservative candidate?
the impression I have is that voters will vote for this contourless and clumsy guy Romney simply because 1. he is not obama 2. he is not a democrat.

I mean, does it have to be Reagan or Bush? isn't there anything more normal? in europe we have many good conservative candidates, and I'd rather have a an intelligent conservative than a stupid democrat.

how do USA citizens see this lack of authoritative conservative figures?
I'm not sure how well you understand U.S. politics, but these are the candidates that people have already voted for. It's better to think of the U.S. as 50 different countries that work together really well. At the state and local levels, candidates vary widely, such that someone who seems conservative in San Francisco would be considered a liberal in San Diego. After the many rounds of politics involved in making it to the final Presidential election, you can end up with candidates who seem very similar on certain issues, but radically polarized on others. Sadly, this is driven by marketing more than anything else. I don't believe that Romney is stupid, I think he really holds these beliefs, and is choosing to market himself to the portion of the country that feels the same way. Since he has already won the nomination, his strategy has so far been effective.

The comparison to Europe would be if you tried to imagine Plevneliev, Merkel, Napolitano, Hollande, Rutte, and Niinistö all in the running for the same position. By the time you narrowed it down to two or three people that all of Europe agreed on, their rhetoric would sound weirder and weirder as they tried to unite millions of people with really disparate positions behind a single banner.
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