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Re: 400 Trees vs. Endeavour parade

One of the nice aspects of LA was how green it was over the whole sprawling urban conurbation.

Even the highrise areas of Downtown, Mid-Wilshire and Century City were still relatively green, because of the extensive planting of trees, wherever possible.

Any reduction in the greenery is to the overall detriment.

Also, trees absorb C02 and release oxygen, and somewhere like LA, needs as much oxygen as it can get.
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One of the nice aspects of LA was how green it was over the whole sprawling urban conurbation.

Even the highrise areas of Downtown, Mid-Wilshire and Century City were still relatively green, because of the extensive planting of trees, wherever possible.

Any reduction in the greenery is to the overall detriment.

Also, trees absorb C02 and release oxygen, and somewhere like LA, needs as much oxygen as it can get.
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A timely contribution, Phil. You realize that this would result in the collapse of global natural systems, yeah? Us included?

Phil, did you forget that sarcastic smiley, again? I think they really think you think it is ok to chop down all trees. I know you don't. Just 400 in LA.

Yes, it is unfortunate that the trees needed to be cut down. They are being replaced, 2 - 1, which while might not be a perfect solution, it is better than nothing.

I am not sure how you would have delivered the space shuttle to the museum - it would have had to travel by roads, perhaps they should have never called it a parade, would that have been better?

BTW - how many trees get downed during a hurricane? Don't see you complaining then. Of course, that is a natural occurrence that does much more damage... I know, apples to oranges, but it seemed to fit the logic in this thread
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Phil was on the same opinion as us, he just expressed his opinion in a sarcastic manner. You groaned him.
Well, based on my experience with Mancs, I found environmentalism to be an ideology seriously lacking. Still not sure it was sarcastic, but I'll remove and give him the benefit of the doubt...
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"What a Discovery .... we'll Endeavour to remove it for you, sir."
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Yes, it is unfortunate that the trees needed to be cut down. They are being replaced, 2 - 1, which while might not be a perfect solution, it is better than nothing.
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I am not sure how you would have delivered the space shuttle to the museum - it would have had to travel by roads, perhaps they should have never called it a parade, would that have been better?
Well, if it were me, I simply wouldn't have.

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BTW - how many trees get downed during a hurricane? Don't see you complaining then. Of course, that is a natural occurrence that does much more damage... I know, apples to oranges, but it seemed to fit the logic in this thread
You're wrong. I complain about everything, all the time.
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So is Mitt.


Are you talking about Mitt Romney? I don't think he would take too well to being planted in LA. And there aren't 400 of him (thank God!). Anyways, I didn't vote for him... But let's not stray too far off topic.

I agree perhaps the shuttle didn't need to go to the museum. Then what do you do with it? Leave it to rust in the desert? Dismantle it piece by piece and be "recycled". All of the above are probably equally hard on the environment in their own way.

Anyone know how much that museum in LA charges to get in? We were just in FL and I was going to take my family to the Kennedy Space center but at $50 per adult and $40 per kids, I didn't think it was a good use of $220...and I don't even know if there is a shuttle there right now.

(checks website)

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You are invited to be part of the once-in-a-lifetime Atlantis – Celebrate the Journey event, Friday, November 2, to welcome space shuttle Atlantis to Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex. Space Shuttle Atlantis is making the 10-mile rolling journey from the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) to the Visitor Complex atop the Orbiter Transportation System (OTS). The move will conclude at the new $100-milion permanent home under construction for the orbiter. The home for Atlantis is set to open summer 2013.
But nothing said about trees, so maybe we are safe here, phew...
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Old 19.10.2012, 13:02
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BTW - how many trees get downed during a hurricane? Don't see you complaining then.
I may be wrong (and I don't really care), but I think the point he's been trying to make is that these particular trees, while insignificant on a global level, have some importance to the people who live(d) with them.

While a single tree might not make a difference, you might be miffed if the one you like to sit in the shade of was blasted away with a light sabre (this is NASA, so I'd expect a bit more than a chainsaw).

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Re: 400 Trees vs. Endeavour parade

A quote from Chemmie right at the start of this thread

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They will be replaced 2 fold by new trees, but for the time being, that's approximately 0.00004% of the trees in the City of Los Angeles according to the L.A. Bureau of Street Services.
This fact appears to have been forgotten in these later stages of the thread.

Basically the removal of the trees is temporary and during this temporary phase any effect on the local environment will be negligible.

For the sacrifice of 400 trees another 800+ will be planted, and one example of the most iconic and arguably most historically important vehicle of the late 20th and early 21st centuries will be preserved in a location where all can see it.

It seems to me that everybody wins
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Re: 400 Trees vs. Endeavour parade

For the LA museum (California Science Center), it looks like to just see the shuttle, it's free, but you have to get a timed ticket ahead of time and to get that it's $2/ticket. http://www.californiasciencecenter.o.../endeavour.php

Or you could go to the National Air and Space Museum near DC out at the Dulles Airport and see the Discovery Shuttle. Free admission and no timed tickets but a $15 charge per car. I saw it a few weeks ago and it was pretty cool.

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Are you talking about Mitt Romney? I don't think he would take too well to being planted in LA. And there aren't 400 of him (thank God!). Anyways, I didn't vote for him... But let's not stray too far off topic.

I agree perhaps the shuttle didn't need to go to the museum. Then what do you do with it? Leave it to rust in the desert? Dismantle it piece by piece and be "recycled". All of the above are probably equally hard on the environment in their own way.

Anyone know how much that museum in LA charges to get in? We were just in FL and I was going to take my family to the Kennedy Space center but at $50 per adult and $40 per kids, I didn't think it was a good use of $220...and I don't even know if there is a shuttle there right now.

(checks website)

Uh oh, get ready for a new thread, as apparently the Atlantis is coming to the Kennedy Space Center:



But nothing said about trees, so maybe we are safe here, phew...
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A quote from Chemmie right at the start of this thread



This fact appears to have been forgotten in these later stages of the thread.

Basically the removal of the trees is temporary and during this temporary phase any effect on the local environment will be negligible.

For the sacrifice of 400 trees another 800+ will be planted, and one example of the most iconic and arguably most historically important vehicle of the late 20th and early 21st centuries will be preserved in a location where all can see it.

It seems to me that everybody wins
Okay, so let's chop down the Amazon and replace it with plantations - sorted!

The biophysical elements are much more complex than you're making them out to be; there are issues of age, health, biodiversity, ecological functions, thresholds, the list goes on...
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I may be wrong (and I don't really care), but I think the point he's been trying to make is that these particular trees, while insignificant on a global level, have some importance to the people who live(d) with them.

While a single tree might not make a difference, you might be miffed if the one you like to sit in the shade of was blasted away with a light sabre (this is NASA, so I'd expect a bit more than a chainsaw).

NIMBY

(or NISEBY in Mike's case)

I fully understand that point. And as I said before I hope they get replaced by substantial trees, not some little saplings.
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Okay, so let's chop down the Amazon and replace it with plantations - sorted!

The biophysical elements are much more complex than you're making them out to be; there are issues of age, health, biodiversity, ecological functions, thresholds, the list goes on...

I agree. However, single trees along roadsides do not a complex system make. Or something like this. Or are we no longer talking about replacing the trees in LA?
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I fully understand that point. And as I said before I hope they get replaced by substantial trees, not some little saplings.
Extremely unlikely, not only because of the effort involved but the greater risks of transplanting established mature trees.
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I may be wrong (and I don't really care), but I think the point he's been trying to make is that these particular trees, while insignificant on a global level, have some importance to the people who live(d) with them.

While a single tree might not make a difference, you might be miffed if the one you like to sit in the shade of was blasted away with a light sabre (this is NASA, so I'd expect a bit more than a chainsaw).

NIMBY

(or NISEBY in Mike's case)
i wouldn't mind if they blasted away the trees near my house. pain in the arse, trees are. shedding leaves everywhere. not to mention causing subsidence.
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Okay, so let's chop down the Amazon and replace it with plantations - sorted!

The biophysical elements are much more complex than you're making them out to be; there are issues of age, health, biodiversity, ecological functions, thresholds, the list goes on...
But it's not the Amazon now is it? It's 400 frickin' trees in LA! I'm sure the biophysical elements of these 400 trees were working their damnedest to make sure that smog cloud can sit directly above the city for 6 months of the year.
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