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US Asylum Seekers in Switzerland?

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All over the world, countless people find it necessary to leave their native country and to file an asylum application somewhere. Some of them are persecuted by their native authorities on account of their political views or their beliefs, some are suffering from the effects of a civil war and others have just had enough of the disastrous economic conditions in their native land. Switzerland is one of the destinations targeted by these people. Our country grants asylum to refugees and offers temporary shelter to those in need of protection.
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What about US citizens fleeing the US and seeking asylum elsewhere based on:
1. disastrous economic conditions and/or
2. on account of their political beliefs.

Possible? Perhaps a new fad? What do you think?
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Re: US Asylum Seekers in Switzerland?

Not a new fad .. the ex-Swiss banker fled to the US and gained refugee status but returned to CH a couple of years later.

Some Japanese and other nationalities were granted refugee status in CH as well, apart from the normal sending countries.

http://foolishlawstudent.blogspot.ch...-tribunal.html

http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/...ad.php?t=11949

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...asylum_in_Cuba

http://www.asylumist.com/2010/10/25/...great-britain/

http://americanchildrenunderground.blogspot.ch/

http://english.pravda.ru/society/sto...ical_asylum-0/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ge...-the-eu-gulag/

http://www.thelocal.se/40368/20120419/
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Re: US Asylum Seekers in Switzerland?

Thank you for the update, I was not aware of the Japanese. Although the Swiss bank employee that fled to the US then returned, surely didn't return as a hero Wonder what happened to him ... worth a Google search
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Re: US Asylum Seekers in Switzerland?

What in the USA would constitute disastrous economic conditions? Sure its not great time in the US but their are plenty in worse situations.

Political beliefs? I don`t think Switzerland will take you in just because the "wrong" guy wins the election. Generally I think this is reserved for people who are in real danger based on their known beliefs.

I dont think the US would care if you defect as long as you continue to file your tay returns.
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Old 22.10.2012, 15:06
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Thank you for the update, I was not aware of the Japanese. Although the Swiss bank employee that fled to the US then returned, surely didn't return as a hero Wonder what happened to him ... worth a Google search
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He's a "person of interest"....for wikipedia:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Meili

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If you think about being a whistleblower, make sure you can proxy your information through someone you trust and that you can maintain your anonymity.
Because more often than not, you will be just a tool for various interest-groups and it will all blow up in your face in the end.
Meili is the classic poster-boy for this kind of f'up.
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What in the USA would constitute disastrous economic conditions? Sure its not great time in the US but their are plenty in worse situations.

Political beliefs? I don`t think Switzerland will take you in just because the "wrong" guy wins the election. Generally I think this is reserved for people who are in real danger based on their known beliefs.

I dont think the US would care if you defect as long as you continue to file your tay returns.
Considering that the U.S is arresting even our own soldiers who disagree with the countless wars and occupations I believe that yes, people in the U.S are in real danger based on their own beliefs, that is unless you believe what they tell you too. A good friend of mine who is a retired Lt. Colonel from the U.S Marines has been placed on the DHS watch list because of some of the views that he has posted on Facebook. None of these views are extreme but mearly questioning the motives behind going to war, the federal reserve and the ineptitude of our politicians to agree on anything except to be able to indefinitely detain U.S citizens.
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Considering that the U.S is arresting even our own soldiers who disagree with the countless wars and occupations I believe that yes, people in the U.S are in real danger based on their own beliefs, that is unless you believe what they tell you too. A good friend of mine who is a retired Lt. Colonel from the U.S Marines has been placed on the DHS watch list because of some of the views that he has posted on Facebook. None of these views are extreme but mearly questioning the motives behind going to war, the federal reserve and the ineptitude of our politicians to agree on anything except to be able to indefinitely detain U.S citizens.
They can usually also agree on tax-cuts.
So I've heard.
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Re: US Asylum Seekers in Switzerland?

Thanks Rainer for the link. That clears up one thing.

Jrspet is full of details, will surf through those next

Brian, yes. I do feel that the Americans are no longer safe in their own country. Just step on the wrong toes, piss someone off or something of the same caliber... and watch what happens. OK, not everywhere and not everyday... still, look at the numbers of cases that evolve each day, mobbing to asset forfeiture. Yes, it could be worse - and will probably get worse before getting better. Still, the economic drama that we hear, see and read about is enough for me to wonder just how deep will all these negative swings dip before the upwards trend begins.

I have spoken with Americans here on Swiss soil that have been "escorted" to the airport to leave the country and warned not to come back. That is "the American way"? Not as I knew it growing up there. I would say that is similar action as one may expect from the mafia or gestapo - on a good day (given, many things happen that do not make it to the public eye... lets start another thread to list those )

So, is the current situation in the states sufficient statement to apply for asylum in a foreign country?
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Old 22.10.2012, 17:16
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... and the ineptitude of our politicians to agree on anything except to be able to indefinitely detain U.S citizens.
That alone is sad. Where is this leading to? I mean, with US persons detained without trial or proof... asset forfeiture is the same with our privately owned property (confiscated and sold mostly for revenue reasons), seeing this from the outside is very shocking. From the inside (sounds like a huge jail) this information is not forwarded freely by the media. Luckily the internet helps - but still reaches a small percentage of the population.
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Nope, because it's still whining on a very high level. As long as even the poor in the US are richer than most middle-class people elsewhere, as long as courts function and you can complain about things on the internet you're still doing just fine. This whole economic crisis is a bloody joke, the only ones suffering are young people who can't get a job, that's not nice, I admit. All the rest should get on with their lifes and stop protesting about being a little bit less ridiculously rich and spoilt.
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To spark a little debate and good reading here, let me offer this thought:

Asylum seekers in Switzerland are based on this:
What about US citizens fleeing the US and seeking asylum elsewhere based on:
1. disastrous economic conditions and/or
2. on account of their political beliefs.

Possible? Perhaps a new fad? What do you think?
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Nope, because it's still whining on a very high level. As long as even the poor in the US are richer than most middle-class people elsewhere, as long as courts function and you can complain about things on the internet you're still doing just fine. This whole economic crisis is a bloody joke, the only ones suffering are young people who can't get a job, that's not nice, I admit. All the rest should get on with their lifes and stop protesting about being a little bit less ridiculously rich and spoilt.
Yes, like I said Simon, it could - and probably will get worse. Still, with the latest developments in how the US citizens are treated, in and outside of their own homeland, and by their own government and those contracted... I ask myself how far will all this go? And if someone has the balls to straiten things up to a half way civilized country.

The economic crisis is not really a crisis, unless it took your job, your home and leaves you with pennies. Not good, but reality for some.
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Nope, because it's still whining on a very high level. As long as even the poor in the US are richer than most middle-class people elsewhere, as long as courts function and you can complain about things on the internet you're still doing just fine. This whole economic crisis is a bloody joke, the only ones suffering are young people who can't get a job, that's not nice, I admit. All the rest should get on with their lifes and stop protesting about being a little bit less ridiculously rich and spoilt.
this is the whole problem in a nutshell. the young people (basically anybody younger than the baby boomers) is, or will be, completely screwed, although "screwed" is of course only relative to the ridiculous wealth that the boomers and prior generations "earned" by borrowing against the country's future. having several decades of experience being an American and living in the USA, I can safely say that nearly all (if not all) of the people I have known who have lost their job, been hounded by the cops or other authorities, etc., either had it coming or should have seen it coming. bad things happen to everybody, but bad things seem to happen consistently to the same people.
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Nothing amazes me more ,to see how American falling apart as soon as it gets a little rough When I worked in north dakoda i visited the" Bad Land" often . I always wondered how the pioneer made it to west cost.Where is this graet spirit to day ? http://www.destination360.com/north-...akota/badlands
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Nothing amazes me more ,to see how American falling apart as soon as it gets a little rough When I worked in north dakoda i visited the" Bad Land" often . I always wondered how the pioneer made it to west cost.Where is this graet spirit to day ? http://www.destination360.com/north-...akota/badlands
we've all moved to Switzerland. trust me, navigating a Migros on a Saturday afternoon without knowing the language is a helluva lot harder than my grandparents had it when they moved in with the Injuns in northern Minnesota 100 years ago.

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we've all moved to Switzerland. trust me, navigating a Migros on a Saturday afternoon without knowing the language is a helluva lot harder than my grandparents had it when they moved in with the Injuns in northern Minnesota 100 years ago.

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That alone is sad. Where is this leading to? I mean, with US persons detained without trial or proof... asset forfeiture is the same with our privately owned property (confiscated and sold mostly for revenue reasons), seeing this from the outside is very shocking. From the inside (sounds like a huge jail) this information is not forwarded freely by the media. Luckily the internet helps - but still reaches a small percentage of the population.
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Ah, now I remember. You've got the friend who had 17,000usd confiscated when he opened his wallet to show his license to the cops.

Must have been one really really big wallet.
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Considering that the U.S is arresting even our own soldiers who disagree with the countless wars and occupations
I tried to google for US soldiers arrested by the US and all I could get was some military under arrest for suspicion of rape in Japan.

Has someone actually been arrested for disagreeing or for refusing to deploy?

Unfortunately you sign up for any military you risk being sent to a war you don`t believe in. I would never sign up, I am too much a coward.
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Must have been one really really big wallet.
Biker type huge leather thingy on a chain. Good people, unfortunately easily stereotyped with his appearance.
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