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Old 13.11.2012, 13:55
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Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

This story has me completely confused.

There was one exGeneral who is married and had a lover, and then another woman. And now another General might quit? And last nigh on US TV they were talking about an FBI investigator quitting because he sent photos of himself to Petraeus?

I can't keep up. Can anybody summarise what happened better than BBC or CNN seem capable of?
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Old 13.11.2012, 14:01
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This story has me completely confused.

There was one exGeneral who is married and had a lover, and then another woman. And now another General might quit? And last nigh on US TV they were talking about an FBI investigator quitting because he sent photos of himself to Petraeus?

I can't keep up. Can anybody summarise what happened better than BBC or CNN seem capable of?
Well one thread is that the lover of Petraeus made a public speech last month saying the CIA were doing things now that Obama forbade in 2009; true or not about the CIA the speech certainly generated questions & a degree of embarassment.
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Old 13.11.2012, 14:02
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This story has me completely confused.

There was one exGeneral who is married and had a lover, and then another woman. And now another General might quit? And last nigh on US TV they were talking about an FBI investigator quitting because he sent photos of himself to Petraeus?

I can't keep up. Can anybody summarise what happened better than BBC or CNN seem capable of?
About "an FBI investigator quitting because he sent photos of himself to Petraeus"

Himself or herself? wearing what clothes; any clothes?
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Old 13.11.2012, 14:09
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This story has me completely confused.

There was one exGeneral who is married and had a lover, and then another woman. And now another General might quit? And last nigh on US TV they were talking about an FBI investigator quitting because he sent photos of himself to Petraeus?

I can't keep up. Can anybody summarise what happened better than BBC or CNN seem capable of?
This is a pretty good summary - http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ndal-explained
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Old 13.11.2012, 14:21
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

I don't know what the ruckus is about.

But I did read on Facebook that adultery is illegal in the military. So that pretty much kicks him out of the military and could well get him convicted in a military court.


ETA: Thanks for the article. It seems he had already left the military.... more confused. Back to reading.
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

kinda reminds me of the movie RED with bruce willis
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

Seems that the Petraeus thing was just the tip of the iceberg and it has had a major domino effect--investigation of Petraeus mistress has uncovered some inappropriate emails of the General with the mistresses' accuser, which now jeopardises his intended appointment.

There seems to be something slightly bigger than a socialite Florida housewife involvment here, but it might take some time for all this to come to light. And of course Congress now goes public with the issue of state secrets being leaked over this, as that is the only avenue than can use to get at the bigger embarassing issue.
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About "an FBI investigator quitting because he sent photos of himself to Petraeus"

Himself or herself? wearing what clothes; any clothes?
LOL I was wondering the same thing
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Old 13.11.2012, 16:50
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

The headline in today's FT is "US general probed in Petraeus scandal".

Which has fired up my imagination
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

What's so hard to understand? It's a standard run of the mill love-pentagon.

Petraeus-Brodwell (Confirmed Affair)
Petraeus-Kelley (Possible Affair)
John Allen-Kelley (innapropriate emails exchanged-affair unconfirmed)
Kelley-random FBI agent friend (one sided infatuation on his part)

This Jill Kelley must sweat man-nip because all these guys are just nuts for her. Plus she has an identical twin sister! And rather bizarrely somehow became an honorary consul of South Korea. (and requested diplomatic protection)???? This story is so bizarre and funny. I love following it
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Old 15.11.2012, 09:54
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

I do not believe anybody can keep up! We only have the public version


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This story has me completely confused.

There was one exGeneral who is married and had a lover, and then another woman. And now another General might quit? And last nigh on US TV they were talking about an FBI investigator quitting because he sent photos of himself to Petraeus?

I can't keep up. Can anybody summarise what happened better than BBC or CNN seem capable of?
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Old 15.11.2012, 10:07
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

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This story has me completely confused.

There was one exGeneral who is married and had a lover, and then another woman. And now another General might quit? And last nigh on US TV they were talking about an FBI investigator quitting because he sent photos of himself to Petraeus?

I can't keep up. Can anybody summarise what happened better than BBC or CNN seem capable of?
Maybe this is a conspiracy of some sort???? You never know....
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

I can give some added clarity as I have been through the process.

The platform for the "scandal" is really a breach of US National Security.
To have top-level security clarences for agencies like CIA and select positions in the military, all relationships must be documented and communicated. Background checks must be conducted on all close acquintaintances (family AND friends).

All communications and interactions with personal and family relationships are subject to investigation at any time. To give you an idea of the severity, in certain positions, such as basic Federal Law Enforcement positions where a Top Secret level security level clarence is given (TS/SCI), Agents must seek permission for personal travel on vacation, especially foreign travel.

With respect to family, all relationships must be disclosed, and generally a background check is mandated. For certain positions, i.e. TS/SCI co-habitation with a foreign national is a disqualifier for that clarence and subsequent employement. You can read a bit on the CIA website about the interview process, they are transparent about instruction to not disclose to friends and family the fact you're applying.

The focus is in part related to the seriousness of potential breach, however, like typical US drive by media, the focus has shifted to "sex scandal". Blah blah blah. The appropriate action would not to have the affair in the first place but..we are all humans right?

Hope I've given some clarity.
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Old 15.11.2012, 10:30
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I can't keep up. Can anybody summarise what happened better than BBC or CNN seem capable of?




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Old 15.11.2012, 11:22
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What's so hard to understand? It's a standard run of the mill love-pentagon.

Petraeus-Brodwell (Confirmed Affair)
Petraeus-Kelley (Possible Affair)
John Allen-Kelley (innapropriate emails exchanged-affair unconfirmed)
Kelley-random FBI agent friend (one sided infatuation on his part)

This Jill Kelley must sweat man-nip because all these guys are just nuts for her. Plus she has an identical twin sister! And rather bizarrely somehow became an honorary consul of South Korea. (and requested diplomatic protection)???? This story is so bizarre and funny. I love following it
Good summary. In addition:
Classified documents have now (allegedly) been found and removed from Broadwell's home. She apparently had security clearance to view certain classified documents but not to have physical custody. There is speculation she revealed classified information in her speech in Denver. For those who missed it, Broadwell was Patraeus's biographer, even though she had never written a book before in her life.

Both Patraeus and Allen sent letters of recommendation/support to the court on behalf of Kelley's twin sister for her custody dispute.

Patraeus is no longer in the military. Allen is, and he is (was?) being considered for the supreme commander of NATO forces. The adultery regulations will therefore not affect Patraeus, but they might get Allen if anything more than flirtatious emails are discovered.

As for understanding the why, it's the same as it has been since humans started walking the earth. Hormones and egoes.

I imagine the Hollywood movie execs are salivating at the movie possibilities for this story.
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

Nope. Do not care either. Blick has nothing better to publish so keeps updating and plastering this story. Honesly why should anyone care about it or why should he resign over an affair. Sure they( Petreus and his lover, both were douches to their respective spouses, but apart from that, I do not get it)
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When you have a high security clearance, you cannot then keep secrets from those who gave you the clearance. Kinda confirms the paranoia of the vetting organization. The actual affair(s?) is(are?) irrelevant and secondary to the fact that documents were mishandled and potentially leaked. A law regarding information confidentiality was broken; the romantic(?) behavior is only interesting as the vehicle by which the law was broken and for its potential salaciousness...
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Old 15.11.2012, 11:43
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Re: Petraeus...does anybody understand it?!

I'm still none the wiser. Why did Broadwell send threatening emails to Kelly? And what was she threatening?


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top-level security clarence
Wasn't he Jack the Ripper?
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Old 15.11.2012, 12:26
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I'm still none the wiser. Why did Broadwell send threatening emails to Kelly? And what was she threatening?
Broadwell saw Kelley as a rival for Patraeus's affections and told her to back off. The emails were anonymous at first, so Kelley had no idea they were from Broadwell and says the two have never met in person. Random topless FBI guy was infatuated with Kelley and started an investigation into those threatening emails. This investigation then uncovered the thousands of pages of emails between Kelley and Allen. Even the daytime soaps couldn't make this stuff up.
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Random topless FBI guy was infatuated with Kelley and started an investigation into those threatening emails.
Had he been topless before his investigation, or was it as a result of it?

Overall, you're left wondering how such presumably cleverish people could be so stupid. Is 'circumspection' not in the US lexicon?
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