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Re: Is Mr Netanyahu right ?

[QUOTE=PennyMama;1720911]There is no way I am believing that. I was in Israel at the time and missiles were flying in daily. In fact I recall clearly listening to the radio just days before where a young girl from sderot testified that she does not know a life without fear of missiles. Barak got on air and was given slack for letting kids be raised this way. Yet you read that Israel broke a 6 month cease fire. Interesting sorts of cease fires these are.... if it was ignored by international news sources it must not have happened.[/QUOTE]

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I'd be more sympathetic had Israel not bulldozed an American girl trying to stop the violence and merely shrugged it off as an 'accident'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie
That and all the money and weapons the US gives Israel to keep the conflict going.
Well deliberately standing in front of a bulldozer has to be a good start to getting a Darwin award.
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To be fair the settlers are illegal. They shouldn't be there and when the UN tells Israel this Israel hand waves them.
You mean the same UN whose representatives still attend conferences in
Tehran, that lends legitimacy to the Iranian ayatollah regime ????
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Well deliberately standing in front of a bulldozer has to be a good start to getting a Darwin award.
Well, I wouldn't do it myself, but the whole incident was indicative of how the 'peaceful' Isrealis deal with the settlements.
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You mean the same UN whose representatives still attend conferences in
Tehran, that lends legitimacy to the Iranian ayatollah regime ????
Thank you for helping my argument.
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Old 19.11.2012, 16:43
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You mean the same UN whose representatives still attend conferences in
Tehran, that lends legitimacy to the Iranian ayatollah regime ????
I think more of the UN which created israel (when USA black mailed the rest of the world)
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Well, I wouldn't do it myself, but the whole incident was indicative of how the 'peaceful' Isrealis deal with the settlements.
As always arguments on both sides "The Jerusalem bulldozer attack occurred on July 2, 2008, when an Arab resident of east Jerusalem......"
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I think more of the UN which created israel (when USA black mailed the rest of the world)
Off topic - is there any violent global territorial dispute which DOESN'T have British fingerprints on it to some degree in the past?
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Off topic - is there any violent global territorial dispute which DOESN'T have British fingerprints on it to some degree in the past?
I hope not
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to address the settler issue. That is one big reason Israel has not yet agreed to a two state solution. As long as there are israelis who cannot be guaranteed safety under a Palestinian leadership, Israel will not give their okay.
Brings up the question ,"why are they there in the first place" the one which came after 1948
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Off topic - is there any violent global territorial dispute which DOESN'T have British fingerprints on it to some degree in the past?
Britsh Colombia Canada comes to my mind
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Old 19.11.2012, 17:13
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Brings up the question ,"why are they there in the first place" the one which came after 1948
No it does not; you won't find a solution by looking at what happened 60 years ago. Start thinking like that & you have to give North America back to the Indians & the eskimos.

Solutions have to deal with today's realities.
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Zionist have an own Final Solution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?ID=292466

"We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too."

Israel economically, isn't neither viable nor self-sustainable country, politically it is ultimate Racist and Apartheid (it is also highly classy within itself) society which have been build on the myth and associated mythologies. As such it is no better than Saudi Arabia, both anachronisms by any human development standards-and both without genuine sovereignty internally and externally. What's PR does, with enormous help of the Western Government's media outlets, is creating an image of that colonial-outpost as a "only democracy" in region. Despite the fact it is pillaging resources from Occupied territories and selling them as Made in Israel.

U.S. so called Aid to Israel so far: $123 Billion and this is only estimate, without EU so called Aid. Of course, Financial and Political Aid are only euphemisms, which coming from those who are sharing same "values", for financing perpetual war and state real terrorism.


http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/...to-israel.html

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http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/11/wo...an.html?src=pm

General Dayan interrupted: ''Never mind that. After all, I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was.''

Useful reminder, as Laleh says, when people start talking about provocations from Hamas.

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Zionist have an own Final Solution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?ID=292466

"We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too."

Israel economically, isn't neither viable nor self-sustainable country, politically it is ultimate Racist and Apartheid (it is also highly classy within itself) society which have been build on the myth and associated mythologies. As such it is no better than Saudi Arabia, both anachronisms by any human development standards-and both without genuine sovereignty internally and externally. What's PR does, with enormous help of the Western Government's media outlets, is creating an image of that colonial-outpost as a "only democracy" in region. Despite the fact it is pillaging resources from Occupied territories and selling them as Made in Israel.

U.S. so called Aid to Israel so far: $123 Billion and this is only estimate, without EU so called Aid. Of course, Financial and Political Aid are only euphemisms, which coming from those who are sharing same "values", for financing perpetual war and state real terrorism.


http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/...to-israel.html
About the same level of financial aid that the US gives to Egypt? Is that given for the same reasons or different reasons - by the same US depts?

You can ignore the military posturing stuff; it is about as credible as Hamas saying "now you have opened the gates of Hell".
Just horror stories for small children & the gullible.
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About the same level of financial aid that the US gives to Egypt? Is that given for the same reasons or different reasons - by the same US depts?

You can ignore the military posturing stuff; it is about as credible as Hamas saying "now you have opened the gates of Hell".
Just horror stories for small children & the gullible.
This is wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_aid
Israel $2,799.5
Egypt $1,301.9

Less than half as much.
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This is wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_aid
Israel 2,799.5
Egypt 1,301.9

Less than half as much.
Try this link
The United States has given Egypt an average of $2 billion annually since 1979

There are always different views
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Brings up the question ,"why are they there in the first place" the one which came after 1948
Why they chose to be there and where they came from is a question I hope you can answer yourself.
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The United States has given Egypt an average of $2 billion annually since 1979

There are always different views
I don't doubt it however,



The US has been giving more money to Israel and for longer.
The level of financial aid is not equal.
It is basically irrelevant anyway, Israel gets a lot of cash from the US.
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About the same level of financial aid that the US gives to Egypt? Is that given for the same reasons or different reasons - by the same US depts?

You can ignore the military posturing stuff; it is about as credible as Hamas saying "now you have opened the gates of Hell".
Just horror stories for small children & the gullible.
False argument. Read it in context, OK.

Egypt is the millennial country, I do not have to prove that, do I?
Israel get the money - cash, in advance. By beginning of each fiscal year.
Egypt get so called aid in military hardware Abrams tanks, F-16s etc. Thus as society it has no useful benefits of "aid".

That table is showing only portion of "aid". Many other went undocumented through "scientific cooperation" than Google, subcontracting, etc.

AGAIN: Not counting EU support to Zionist entity, which is significant; let alone exploitative, coming from Occupied territories and Golan heights. I believer that you, as EU consumer, are enjoying the fruit from Occupied territories.
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