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About "the only difference is that Hamas caused far less victims for now." but is that by choice?
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Probably not. However, the interesting question is not how many persons have violent dreams, but about effects and results of real damage, especially in terms of life loss.


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About "besides that IDF caused much higher casualties than so-called and/or real terrorists ever could"
If you take World Trade Center as an example, terrorists can kill many people.
Please. Besides that if we were talking death toll in a 4 cipher number, no real conflict in the Mideast would exist.

As a war is killing by its definition, and one easily exceeds this number in an open war.
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

Noam Chomsky sums it up!
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Noam Chomsky sums it up!
Yap Hitler had to defend paris
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Noam Chomsky sums it up!
Please be aware that Israel is not occupying Gaza. It was back in 2005 that all troops were out of the entire Gaza strip and all settlements were evacuated.
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Please be aware that Israel is not occupying Gaza. It was back in 2005 that all troops were out of the entire Gaza strip and all settlements were evacuated.
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

How can Israel be occupying, Palestine was never an autonomous state. Israel captured the territories from Jordan (Judea and Samaria) and Egypt (Gaza) in the 67 war both had occupied those regions after the war of 48, why then are they not classed as Occupiers?. Israel didn't capture and does not occupy "Palestine". Call it disputed territories if you like but Occupation is inaccurate.

The Palestinians rejected the 1947 UN Partition plan that was proposed so they did not have a state, and the arabs lost the war of 1948 after they tried to wipe us out.
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How can Israel be occupying, ....Israel captured the territories from .....
you answered the question yourselves.

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why then are they not classed as Occupiers?.
you can not derive a right from someone else's wrong.

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Call it disputed territories if you like but Occupation is inaccurate.
According to the international law of the planet earth, Israel is an occupier state. Its not me or palestinians just.

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... arabs lost the war of 1948 after they tried to wipe us out.
but you have practically wiped them out..havent you?


By the way according to Torah you should have waited untill the return of Messiah to return to holyland ...

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Re: Crisis in Gaza

wiped them out....interesting comment.

Hardly, and what a blinkered view you have. 1.6 million live inside Israel. from a population of 150,000 arabs which chose to remain after the 48 war.

4.6 million "refugees" according to UNWRA are now, but any other refugee on the planet in any other country can only be classed as a refugee if they were the person displaced. Refugee status for a Palestinian seems to be an inheritance.

Hardly what you call wiping out.
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you answered the question yourselves.


you can not derive a right from someone else's wrong.


According to the international law of the planet earth, Israel is an occupier state. Its not me or palestinians just.


but you have practically wiped them out..havent you?


By the way according to Torah you should have waited untill the return of Messiah to return to holyland ...

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860,000 jews from arab countries were displaced by the arabs. which now make up 50% of the population of Israel. So forget the torah honey!! Didn't have a lot of choice now did we.
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Old 29.11.2012, 20:01
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How can Israel be occupying, Palestine was never an autonomous state. Israel captured the territories from Jordan (Judea and Samaria) and Egypt (Gaza) in the 67 war both had occupied those regions after the war of 48, why then are they not classed as Occupiers?. Israel didn't capture and does not occupy "Palestine". Call it disputed territories if you like but Occupation is inaccurate.

The Palestinians rejected the 1947 UN Partition plan that was proposed so they did not have a state, and the arabs lost the war of 1948 after they tried to wipe us out.
We all now the history of,we allso have some idea of the international laws.So spar us this BS
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Old 29.11.2012, 21:16
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I think it would actually be a step forward if it was admitted by the world that both sides in the conflict are pretty much scum bags and that they are both utterly wrong.
Or, both sides are capable of restoring confidence in each other and can decide to work towards Peace. There's enough hyperbolic hate speech; let love in.

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What annoys me is that the press and the US, UK etc. still push the "poor Israel look at them defending themselves" narrative; which is false. They are just as much to blame as the Palestinians and neither side can claim to be anywhere near the moral high ground.

Desmond Tutu wrote a good argument 10 years ago which unfortunately is still relevant today, he talks about the apartheid in Israel and how the will to fix the problem is clearly not present.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/comment
Doesn't seem to be much hope in the Iranian government Hamas being willing to fix the problem. One thing is for sure: provoke the IDF and the sky will fall on you. See the Turkish boat with 'harmless' building supplies raided by commandos a few years back.

Deterrence is obligatory if you're surrounded by enemies.

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...so please stop complaining about the rockets. There are going to be no flowers coming until israel accepts international law .
Hamas are going to abide by international law?
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Old 30.11.2012, 00:19
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

Theye are Nuts : http://rense.com/general43/amra.htm
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Re: Crisis in Gaza

It is true, the demented woman who wrote that ramble is nuts. And cannut, when are you returning your apartment to First Nations?
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It is true, the demented woman who wrote that ramble is nuts. And cannut, when are you returning your apartment to First Nations?
First I have no apartement Second my grandson/daugters which are part natives told me I can stay But i have to Commend you for the propper use of the therm "First Nations"
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First I have no apartement Second my grandson/daugters which are part natives told me I can stay But i have to Commend you for the propper use of the therm "First Nations"
No seriously, answer the question. You live in Canada which is the product of colonialist invasion. How is it different?
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No seriously, answer the question. You live in Canada which is the product of colonialist invasion. How is it different?
We live in peace now days and trying hard to compesate for past injustices I came here in 1965 and payed taxes toward those compensations . Maybe you should try the same
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We live in peace now days and trying hard to compesate for past injustices I came here in 1965 and payed taxes toward those compensations . Maybe you should try the same
But you are living on and benefitting from land that was stolen from First Nations. Now please, in what way is that different from Israel who you condemn? I really feel this is quite a simple question which you are failing to answer.
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But you are living on and benefitting from land that was stolen from First Nations. Now please, in what way is that different from Israel who you condemn? I really feel this is quite a simple question which you are failing to answer.
I am not in any way condeming jews for living in palestine .I do not agreeing with the treadment of the locals
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I am not in any way condeming jews for living in palestine .I do not agreeing with the treadment of the locals
So you agree Israel, like Canada, has a right to exist in its cureent form but that Israel, like Canada, has a history of poor treatment of some of it's indigenous peoples?
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Old 30.11.2012, 02:46
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you answered the question yourselves.


you can not derive a right from someone else's wrong.


According to the international law of the planet earth, Israel is an occupier state. Its not me or palestinians just.


but you have practically wiped them out..havent you?


By the way according to Torah you should have waited untill the return of Messiah to return to holyland ...

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About "According to the international law of the planet earth, Israel is an occupier state. Its not me or palestinians just."

Exactly which international law are you quoting?
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