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This is the nub of the matter.

I couldn't believe that anyone could simply phone the hospital and get through without a password or anything. I wouldn't be surprised if some loony had been able to walk in delivering flowers to Kate's room...
To me it appears as though the british press are using the Australians as a lame excuse and set pf scapegoats to conveniently shift the blame awqy from where it really lies - with the hospital!
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To me it appears as though the british press are using the Australians as a lame excuse and set pf scapegoats to conveniently shift the blame awqy from where it really lies - with the hospital!
The fault lies with the malicious public humiliation of an innocent member of the public. If there had been no 'prank' there wouldn't now be a dead person.
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Re: Duchess of Cambridge hoax call nurse found dead

I think the main fault lies with the general public, and anyone who gives a shit about royal offspring.

Without the public's insatiable desire for more info on this wholly irrelevant situation, there wouldn't be a need for hospital employees to provide stringent security, which they aren't in any way trained or equipped to do, there wouldn't be any point in some DJ's making a relatively harmless (yes, let's be honest here, it was relatively harmless and not particularly mean sprited) prank call which tragically happened to be answered by a woman who clearly had some serious emotional issues, and now everyone who probably laughed and didn't think twice when they originally heard the call is up in arms and wants to draw and quarter the DJs.

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It was quite obvious listening to the call that this nurse was of African origin

The family wants to send her remains to India, so it seems unlikely.
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The fault lies with the malicious public humiliation of an innocent member of the public. If there had been no 'prank' there wouldn't now be a dead person.
Do you really think it was malicious? Did you hear it? If I recall correctly, they just say that they're the queen, and ask this woman to be transferred, and she does it.

If you compare it to the countless other examples of true public humiliation, which is sadly more and more prevalent in this day and age, it's incredibly mild and they don't in any way set out to humiliate her. Was her name even public before her suicide?

She clearly had some underlying issues that would have surfaced with or without this call, and in the end, she made the choice to kill herself instead of trying to get help. It was a stupid, unfunny prank on the part of the DJs, but it's certainly no worse than anything most of us have done in our lifetimes.
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The fault lies with the malicious public humiliation of an innocent member of the public. If there had been no 'prank' there wouldn't now be a dead person.
Malicious, perhaps you need to look up the meaning of the word. It was a prank that they even apologised for once they realised how gullible the hospital staff had been. Hopefully this wont result in any laws expecting people to ask wow is someone going to commit suicide because I phone and ask to be transferred to another person because I am not who I say I am.

Think about it, yes the joke they did which I listened was not even funny and they didnt make a big thing out of it. It was only after the british press got hold of it that it was blown out of all proportions as per usual
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The family wants to send her remains to India, so it seems unlikely.
African/Indian/Chinese....my point being, she appeared not to have been British born, therefore the vilification was cruel and unnecessary. I think I made that quite clear in my post.
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To me it appears as though the british press are using the Australians as a lame excuse and set pf scapegoats to conveniently shift the blame awqy from where it really lies - with the hospital!
Whilst the broadcasters were wrong to broadcast the call without permission, I agree that the main fault lies with the security at the hospital. This was a prank call and certainly not malicious. It could easily have been a crank caller, journalist or somebody with real malicious intent.

If permission was sought, I feel sure that the call would not have been broadcast. The staff would still have been caught out but it probably wouldn't have come to public attention. Who can say that the nurse wouldn't have commited suicide in these circumstances?
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Re: Duchess of Cambridge hoax call nurse found dead

She comes/came from a country where the sens of dignity is high and she probably couldn't cope with the idea of people making a full of her. It's very sad.
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Old 09.12.2012, 17:31
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African/Indian/Chinese....my point being, she appeared not to have been British born, therefore the vilification was cruel and unnecessary. I think I made that quite clear in my post.
What vilification?

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Re: Duchess of Cambridge hoax call nurse found dead

What vilification? Have you read any of the news reports relating to this incident? The poor woman was ridiculed/vilified/defamed globally by the media and DJ's involved for not recognising it was a prank call.

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It was quite obvious listening to the call that this nurse was of African origin
(thousands have been drafted into the UK in recent years to fill shortages.)

For the press and countless others to vilify her for not spotting the terrible accent of the fake Queen, is a bit rich! Any one of us fellow EFers could easily fall foul of a Swiss related prank, as I for sure would have trouble recognising the voice of a Swiss dignitary (and I speak fluent German, so couldn't use the language barrier as an excuse.)

Anyway, as others have said before me it is a sad, sad state of affairs. The pressure the lady must have been under, doesn't bear thinking about.

May she rest in peace and my thoughts are with her family. xxxx

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Old 09.12.2012, 19:16
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Re: Duchess of Cambridge hoax call nurse found dead

I think words like "blame" and "fault" are unhelpful. So often we want to look for culprits in very sad situations like this.

If the person made to look a fool is a politician or a celeb, or someone we know personally, then OK -- we have an idea how they will take it, and they may even enjoy the joke. But for me, this incident just illustrates that there is a risk when making fun of ordinary members of the public. If we don't know who the victim is, we can have no idea how they will take it. This lady clearly felt extremely humiliated, and that is not her 'fault'.

Equally, the general public can hardly be held responsible, as one person here is claiming. As an attempted cop-out, that pitiful view will take some beating. No one asked me my view beforehand. And then we get the bizarre opinion that this lady's death is the fault of people who have an interest in the royal family. Really, some of this stuff is embarrassing to read.

Sometimes, things are just bloody sad and it is horribly inappropriate for people to bicker over it as if it's a dodgy decision in a football game.

Surely the only answer in these situations, where you pretend to be someone else and your intention is not to expose corruption or wrongdoing, is to get in touch with the victims afterwards and ask for their permission to broadcast it. With a decent donation to the nurse's favourite charity, she might have been happy to go along with it and enjoy the jape. If people persistently don't want these things broadcast, you might eventually get the message that it is not a good way to behave.

What's the difference between a practical joke and cruel bullying? Not always easy to define, is it? There tends to be something arrogant about it though. "My need for having a laugh is greater than your need for dignity." Sometimes that goes wrong.
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Malicious, perhaps you need to look up the meaning of the word. It was a prank that they even apologised for once they realised how gullible the hospital staff had been. Hopefully this wont result in any laws expecting people to ask wow is someone going to commit suicide because I phone and ask to be transferred to another person because I am not who I say I am.

Think about it, yes the joke they did which I listened was not even funny and they didnt make a big thing out of it. It was only after the british press got hold of it that it was blown out of all proportions as per usual
In fact they made the very most of the publicity right up until the moment of death of the lady, boasting on their radio station about the global notoriety they had caused. The "apology" issued mid week was a neutrally worded almost legal statement to absolve any responsibility, but did not stop them promoting the call consistently beyond that point.

In terms of introduction of new laws, we will see, but I thought you were meant to seek the permission of people before broadcasting these types of calls however perhaps this law is not applicable in Australia. Claiming that there is no shred of responsibility because in one's own judgement they should have been able to 'take it as a laugh' does not hold any water.

It is extremely sad that this situation has arisen but for me the sadness is mainly that people think this type of activity, where a completely innocent person, who does not ask or request for any type of attention, is put in the spotlight purely for the gratification of others working on a completely different moral compass, is a harmless piece of daily life and somehow "fair game".

Time will tell if this lady had her own problems which contributed to it, but so far nothing has come to light bar the fact that not being of native origin of this country she may react entirely differently to being made a scapegoat that a man in the street of England, or perhaps more relevantly, Australia, might have.
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Re: Duchess of Cambridge hoax call nurse found dead

What may have started as an unharmful prank ended dramatically. There were probably other circumstances but both journalists kind of unintentionally 'pulled the trigger'.
Just a question, I'm not a lawyer... What both australian journalists did, isn't it damn close to financial identity theft, or using another's identity to obtain credit, goods and services? They tried to obtain information, which in the news-business is a good, in order to make money through a scoop...
Most countries have legal responses for that, under criminal law.
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It will be a sad day if any legal action is taken against the radio or the presenters.
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It will be a sad day if any legal action is taken against the radio or the presenters.
I agree, inasmuch as the damage has been done and it wouldn't make things any better.

But I'm curious about the legal position here. As far as I know, it's not lawful in the UK to use my photograph or a recording of my voice, without my permission, to sell a product, promote a cause, or to further any commercial objective. So why would it be OK to broadcast this woman's voice across the globe without her agreement -- when the obvious aim was commercial self-promotion for the pranksters and the radio station?

Maybe it's one of these internet-style legal problems where it's impossible to agree on jurisdiction when different countries have different laws.
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Just a question, I'm not a lawyer... What both australian journalists did, isn't it damn close to financial identity theft, or using another's identity to obtain credit, goods and services? They tried to obtain information, which in the news-business is a good, in order to make money through a scoop...
Most countries have legal responses for that, under criminal law.
Sorry, I hadn't read that when I posted my previous message. I think we are making the same sort of point -- though you did it better.
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This is indeed a sad story and my deepest condolences goes out to the children.

I generally don't like pranks and won't accept to be pranked or picked at in a live comedy show(thats why i sit at the back), but I do draw a firm line when the prank is an attack on someones reputation especially publicly, but if done in private, then my response wont be ott.

I won't claim to know much about this subject, but for those who decide to end their life, I wonder what reassurance they have that it's better on the other side?
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I agree, inasmuch as the damage has been done and it wouldn't make things any better.

But I'm curious about the legal position here. As far as I know, it's not lawful in the UK to use my photograph or a recording of my voice, without my permission, to sell a product, promote a cause, or to further any commercial objective. So why would it be OK to broadcast this woman's voice across the globe without her agreement -- when the obvious aim was commercial self-promotion for the pranksters and the radio station?

Maybe it's one of these internet-style legal problems where it's impossible to agree on jurisdiction when different countries have different laws.
In Australia it is illegal to use the recording without the permission of the people involved. As I understand it, they did not seek permission to use this call

Edit. It appears that they did try to obtain permission but were unable to contact the relevant staff. The broadcast seems to have gone ahead without permission having been confirmed

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Was her name even public before her suicide?
I dont recall any of the hospital staff name being made public before this unfortunate tragic event. What I recall was the Prince being sympathetic to both hospital management and staff, whilst being angry at the pranksters.

Will the Paparazzi ever leave him in peace.

Condolences to the woman' family
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