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Old 16.12.2012, 11:03
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Guns used in the Connecticut shooting.
What is the point you are making?
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Old 16.12.2012, 11:28
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

I haven't read most of the posts here, just the first few, it is all too upsetting.
So so so sad. I am so sad for all those poor children, their teachers, their families.
Rest in peace little ones.
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Old 16.12.2012, 11:29
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

The news says the mom was keeping her own personal arsenal in the event of an upcoming economic crash and its resulting chaos. From what I have read in the past few years there is a growing contingent of people arming themselves for this purpose.. sort of a mass survivalist paranoia/fantasy. I am sorry, but were the *hit to hit the fan to such a degree in the US a few guns and some dried goods in the cellar would not be of much help. Better to have some cyanide tablets tucked away. And yet it is part of the myth that perpetuates the gun culture....
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

[QUOTE=M_McPoyle;1746673]The news says the mom was keeping her own personal arsenal in the event of an upcoming economic crash and its resulting chaos.QUOTE]
Can you give your news source?
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

For example, MSNBC:
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/50209477/#50209477
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

http://www.theage.com.au/world/shoot...216-2bh68.html
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[QUOTE=M_McPoyle;1746673]The news says the mom was keeping her own personal arsenal in the event of an upcoming economic crash QUOTE]

That is NOT what the presenter says in the source you have given. The word "stockpiling" is used, with a fullstop ( implied from the ptone, followed by the pause) immediately after. From that, it could mean she was stockpiling food, firwood or anything else.

I don't think anything is to be gained by anyone, media or EF, by adding opinions that are not using established facts.
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Old 16.12.2012, 13:40
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The news says the mom was keeping her own personal arsenal in the event of an upcoming economic crash QUOTE]

That is NOT what the presenter says in the source you have given. The word "stockpiling" is used, with a fullstop ( implied from the ptone, followed by the pause) immediately after. From that, it could mean she was stockpiling food, firwood or anything else.

I don't think anything is to be gained by anyone, media or EF, by adding opinions that are not using established facts.
Read the link I posted.
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Old 16.12.2012, 13:48
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

Are trigger locks obligatory in the US? What about lockers/gun safes?
I do not understand why the gun lobby is resisting even basic security restrictions...

Apparently there is a debate about letting people bring guns to work. After all the workplace shootings, this is idiotic.
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Old 16.12.2012, 14:00
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

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What matters is to get the mind set around the idea of learning to leave home without a gun in the trunk of your car. Without the need for gun shops in every town. Just to get used to the idea that you have not been threatened by a gun carrying citizen on any day this year, or last year....
One of my brother's-in-law is a police officer in the US, and he has such a high opinion of himself and his ability to protect people in any situation that he keeps a gun strapped to his ankle at all times. When his family came to visit our house for Thanksgiving in the US a couple of years ago I told him his gun was not to come into my house under any circumstances. Five minutes into their visit he crossed his legs and that stupid gun was strapped to his ankle. Needless to say, we asked him to leave our house until he could find somewhere else to store it safely. I know he's trained to use it, but I also know he's a hothead who almost shot his neighbor when they were returning something to his garage. I won't risk my life, OH's life, my children's lives, or anyone else for that matter just because the law says BIL can carry a gun

On the flip side, my dad was in the military for 30 years and my brother has been serving for 10 years. Neither house has ever had a gun in it, even though they're also well trained to defend themselves and others with a gun--on the job.

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Unfortunately or fortunately, American school will become like the airports. Think about the airports before 9/11 and think about them afterwards. That's where American schools are headed.
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Many in PA., Texas and California have their own police departments.

NYC has School Safety Agents who are employees of the City Police, they are unarmed but have somewhat limited police powers to carry out their duties (I guess somewhat like Stadtpolizei Zurich Polizeilicher Assistentdienst)
I taught at a high school in the middle of a cornfield in IL, and we had an armed officer on the campus at all times. The community decided this was "necessary" when families from the south side of Chicago started moving out to our town to remove their kids from the gangs and violence of the south side--trying to better their lives. It was an awful generalization on the part of the town, but the school board supported their fears. When we moved 4 years ago, there was talk of installing metal detectors...
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Old 16.12.2012, 14:15
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Are trigger locks obligatory in the US? What about lockers/gun safes?
I do not understand why the gun lobby is resisting even basic security restrictions...

Apparently there is a debate about letting people bring guns to work. After all the workplace shootings, this is idiotic.
You are missing the point: the MORE guns there are, the LESS risk there is of shootings, because the potential shooters are scared of being shot.

Oops, most of the time they shoot themselves in the end, so this argument may not as solid as the NRA wants us to believe.
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Old 16.12.2012, 14:15
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Apparently there is a debate about letting people bring guns to work. After all the workplace shootings, this is idiotic.
Well, one place I worked at in the US, a lot of people brought them to work.

Here, too.

A couple of friends of mine are undercover cops in Zurich, they ALWAYS carry guns.

Tom
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Old 16.12.2012, 14:26
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

Well for an undercover cop that is acceptable, no. There is no earthly reason to bring guns to work otherwise.

So if you are firing people, do you have to put a bulletproof vest first?
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You are missing the point: the MORE guns there are, the LESS risk there is of shootings, because the potential shooters are scared of being shot.

Oops, most of the time they shoot themselves in the end, so this argument may not as solid as the NRA wants us to believe.
I am not even discussing the number and type of guns. There should of course be a smaller number out there but that will take a long time to overcome the lobby
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"Gun enthusiast." Nothing there either about collecting an arsenal of weapons to be used for survivial.
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"Gun enthusiast." Nothing there either about collecting an arsenal of weapons to be used for survivial.
Honey, the words "gun enthusiast" are scary in itself.
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Well for an undercover cop that is acceptable, no.
Not where I come from.
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Old 16.12.2012, 14:51
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

The mother stockpiles guns her own use, took her children to the shooting range, the same guns were used against her by her own son and then used in the mass murder event.
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Well, one place I worked at in the US, a lot of people brought them to work.

Here, too.

A couple of friends of mine are undercover cops in Zurich, they ALWAYS carry guns.

Tom
My oldest one is a cop in Toronto ,undercover ,he leaves his Glock at the station most of the time.
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Guns used in the Connecticut shooting.
Bloody hell.

Why is it that the sight of these things make some of us almost miss a heartbeat with fear, shock and disgust, while others can see the very same thing and almost miss a heartbeat with excitement and fascination?

If we could truly answer that, we might get somewhere.
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