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The mother stockpiles guns her own use, took her children to the shooting range, the same guns were used against her by her own son and then used in the mass murder event.
Where did it actually say that? I can't see it anywhere .

I am totally against people keeping guns of any sort at home, or being able to carry them concealed, but I am also against senstationalising facts, or getting facts confused with rumours.

My understanding is that the mother had several registered guns and that she and her sons spent time at a local shooting range. I am highlighting "understanding" because even those "facts" don't seem to have been totally verified.
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Where did it actually say that? I can't see it anywhere .

I am totally against people keeping guns of any sort at home, or being able to carry them concealed, but I am also against senstationalising facts, or getting facts confused with rumours.

My understanding is that the mother had several registered guns and that she and her sons spent time at a local shooting range. I am highlighting "understanding" because even those "facts" don't seem to have been totally verified.
When you own several guns and have them at home how Is that not stockpiling? I think your argument is just being pedantic.
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When you own several guns and have them at home how Is that not stockpiling? I think your argument is just being pedantic.
I own several cast iron skillets, all used for different purposes. I consider myself a collector of cast iron skillets, not a stockpiler

And, yes, these skillets could be considered deadly weapons...
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When you own several guns and have them at home how Is that not stockpiling? I think your argument is just being pedantic.
My family has several guns and keep them at home. We don't consider ourselves to be stockpiling. Most of these were inherited; my father owns his grandfather and father's guns. For the most part he keeps them for sentimental reasons, and owns no ammunition for any. I doubt if anyone outside my immediate family even knows of them...

I would say that "stockpiling" implies a different intent than similar words, such as "accumulating," or "collecting."
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I have noting agains someone collecting guns for hunting and targetpractise .I have a 22semiato. winchester ,hardley can call it a gun.
But this days my thoughts are with the poor folks in conn. which lost ther love ones
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When you own several guns and have them at home how Is that not stockpiling? I think your argument is just being pedantic.
I own several bicycles, kayaks, skis and other items sports equipment. I hardly consider myself to be stockpiling.
"pe·dan·tic (p-dntk)
adj.Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules."

Formal rules? Moi? I'll leave people who know me to make any comments on that one! I'd look up the meaning of ostentatious as well, except I can't be bothered wth the detail.

My whole point is that there are numerous rumours abounding about what happened and the (possible) reasons for it. I am interested in thinking over the facts as they present themselves, not the rumours or opinions that are being passed as facts. I am not attacking you, or any other EF person personally, but I am challenging what is being written.
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and rightly so biff as the information that has been received from the moment this happened onward has been a chaotic swirl of misinformation, assumption and recalls of previous 'facts'. at this point my attention is on the victims and their families, i'll leave the politics to when there is more verified evidence on all the other stuff.
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Old 16.12.2012, 16:18
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apparently, one of the little girls who were killed is the daughter of a saxophonist who made a song for her. heartbreaking to imagine, but such a touching way to deal with the loss he feels. posting it for those who are interested...

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I own several bicycles, kayaks, skis and other items sports equipment. I hardly consider myself to be stockpiling.
"pe·dan·tic (p-dntk)
adj.Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules."

Formal rules? Moi? I'll leave people who know me to make any comments on that one! I'd look up the meaning of ostentatious as well, except I can't be bothered wth the detail.

My whole point is that there are numerous rumours abounding about what happened and the (possible) reasons for it. I am interested in thinking over the facts as they present themselves, not the rumours or opinions that are being passed as facts. I am not attacking you, or any other EF person personally, but I am challenging what is being written.
hey biff, no worries on the intent, no problems from my side. I just think some people could also label themselves as a collector, when in actual fact their collection is in itself a stockpile.

Pedantic just means in this case arguing about a single word and worrying about its meaning when it does not really change the bigger picture. Perhaps I am also being pedantic by arguing the opposite side
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

stock·pile

[stok-pahyl] Show IPA noun, verb, stock·piled, stock·pil·ing.
noun 1. a supply of material, as a pile of gravel in road maintenance.

2. a large supply of some metal, chemical, food, etc., gathered and held in reserve for use during a shortage or during a period of higher prices.

3. a quantity, as of munitions or weapons, accumulated for possible future use.


verb (used with object) 4. to accumulate (material, goods, or the like) for future use; put or store in a stockpile.


verb (used without object) 5. to accumulate in a stockpile.

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Old 16.12.2012, 18:30
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stock·pile

[stok-pahyl] Show IPA noun, verb, stock·piled, stock·pil·ing.
noun 1. a supply of material, as a pile of gravel in road maintenance.

2. a large supply of some metal, chemical, food, etc., gathered and held in reserve for use during a shortage or during a period of higher prices.

3. a quantity, as of munitions or weapons, accumulated for possible future use.


verb (used with object) 4. to accumulate (material, goods, or the like) for future use; put or store in a stockpile.


verb (used without object) 5. to accumulate in a stockpile.

Well and good, but IMHO, the point in question was with the connotation of stockpile, not necessarily the denotation... But we were being pedantic...
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Well and good, but IMHO, the point in question was with the connotation of stockpile, not necessarily the denotation... But we were being pedantic...
I'd say more dilettantish....whatever
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

Ironically US doing their warmongering everywhere else in the world to protect their "freedom" when the biggest threat is in their backyard...

If they spend their time and effort to build a stable society instead on war and weaponry...

And now they want to allow guns in school to be pro-active...no really... how can a deranged "associations" as NRA be allowed...

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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...183665131.html
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...-183665131.htm


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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

From the New Yorker:

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So let’s state the plain facts one more time, so that they can’t be mistaken: Gun massacres have happened many times in many countries, and in every other country, gun laws have been tightened to reflect the tragedy and the tragic knowledge of its citizens afterward. In every other country, gun massacres have subsequently become rare. In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity, and they happen with hideous regularity because guns are hideously and regularly available.
The people who fight and lobby and legislate to make guns regularly available are complicit in the murder of those children. They have made a clear moral choice: that the comfort and emotional reassurance they take from the possession of guns, placed in the balance even against the routine murder of innocent children, is of supreme value. Whatever satisfaction gun owners take from their guns—we know for certain that there is no prudential value in them—is more important than children’s lives. Give them credit: life is making moral choices, and that’s a moral choice, clearly made.
All of that is a truth, plain and simple, and recognized throughout the world. At some point, this truth may become so bloody obvious that we will know it, too. Meanwhile, congratulate yourself on living in the child-gun-massacre capital of the known universe.
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From the New Yorker:

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So let’s state the plain facts one more time, so that they can’t be mistaken: Gun massacres have happened many times in many countries, and in every other country, gun laws have been tightened to reflect the tragedy and the tragic knowledge of its citizens afterward. In every other country, gun massacres have subsequently become rare. In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity, and they happen with hideous regularity because guns are hideously and regularly available.
The people who fight and lobby and legislate to make guns regularly available are complicit in the murder of those children. They have made a clear moral choice: that the comfort and emotional reassurance they take from the possession of guns, placed in the balance even against the routine murder of innocent children, is of supreme value. Whatever satisfaction gun owners take from their guns—we know for certain that there is no prudential value in them—is more important than children’s lives. Give them credit: life is making moral choices, and that’s a moral choice, clearly made.
All of that is a truth, plain and simple, and recognized throughout the world. At some point, this truth may become so bloody obvious that we will know it, too. Meanwhile, congratulate yourself on living in the child-gun-massacre capital of the known universe.
Did you really repost that? People that lobby to make guns regularly available are NOT complicit in the murder of children. This is like saying that people who choose plastic bags over paper bags are complicit in autoasphyxiation accidents...
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This is like saying that people who choose plastic bags over paper bags are complicit in autoasphyxiation accidents...
AFAIK the primary purpose of plastic bags is to be used for carrying stuff. Remind me, what other purpose - other than shooting people - is there for handguns ?
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Those poor children didn't 'autoshoot themselves' did they? A ridiculous analogy.

WASHINGTON—In the wake of yesterday’s gruesome mass shooting that claimed the lives of 27 people, including 20 schoolchildren, the United States ratified a new constitutional amendment this afternoon guaranteeing American citizens the right to live life in a perpetual state of abject horror. “The provisions of the 28th Amendment will fully protect the right of all individuals to spend every waking moment utterly terrified at the thought of a deranged stranger with a semiautomatic combat rifle gunning them down,” said House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), explaining that the measure also permits Americans to suffer panic attacks anytime their loved ones go to work, school, malls, or virtually any other public location. “In addition, the new amendment prevents the government from ever infringing on a citizen’s inalienable right to lie awake at night visualizing the images of crying children being ushered out of a school and wondering where it could happen next.” The new amendment comes on the heels of numerous other proposed changes to U.S. law, including a highly contested bill that would protect the right of Americans to ignore a widespread, deadly problem until it is far too late.
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