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In my opinion, this is the mentality that needs to be somehow reversed. But until the U.S. can figure out a way to do that, it needs to (again, in my opinion) do all that it can to ensure that guns don't end up in the wrong hands.
The hardest part of this is that so many of the worst offenders (like the Batman shooter) have no prior offenses, so it makes it very challenging to identify these individuals in advance...
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Old 13.12.2012, 00:38
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

okay to bring up an age old question- hunting rifles, i understand. others- why? it seems logical that there's no reason why a civilian would need another kind of gun. in terms of self defense, all the studies seem to show that you are, in fact less safe with a gun- gun being used on you, more likely to be shot fatally than those carrying guns and more likely to use the gun on another family member...

yes, people are the problem, but i would much rather be attacked by someone with a banana than a gun
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okay to bring up an age old question- hunting rifles, i understand. others- why? it seems logical that there's no reason why a civilian would need another kind of gun. in terms of self defense, all the studies seem to show that you are, in fact less safe with a gun- gun being used on you, more likely to be shot fatally than those carrying guns and more likely to use the gun on another family member...

yes, people are the problem, but i would much rather be attacked by someone with a banana than a gun
Personally, I don't hunt, because I don't eat much game, and butchering and cleaning a carcass is actually messy, time-consuming, and hard. So I would NOT want a hunting rifle. I like to shoot medium-caliber pistols (9mm or .40 S&W) at gun ranges; I'm not into the rock'n'roll full-auto Rambo crap, either (bullets cost too damn much and you just run out soo quick). For me, I would like a handgun, and since I still maintain my Florida residency, I would also apply for a concealed-carry permit. This is not to say that I would carry a gun with me all the time, or even any of the time.

I am well-trained on gun safety and fully trust my abilities to safely own a gun. I grew up with many guns in our house (rifles, shotguns and a pistol) and know many friends who own handguns, etc. I have personally seen thousands of bullets fired in my life and not one person injured. I have also read about people shot down over a pair of sneakers or an insult. The difference between the people I know, and the people about whom I read is mentality (as has been pointed out by myself and others).
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Old 13.12.2012, 00:52
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

absolutely, but given the circumstances and the climate/issues surrounding gun violence right now, couldn't gun enthusiasts just take up darts or skeeball?
it'd make the whole gun thing way easier.
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Old 13.12.2012, 01:42
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

I would like to be enlightened to which developed countries have incidents of regularity such as individuals walking into malls, cinemas, schools and spraying bullets at random? Or examples of 13/14 year olds hanging streets with guns to use over matters so trivial.

I did not post this link to slander the US merely to spark a debate over why these crazy situations are occurring.

Yeah there's gun crime everywhere, London has its fair share, as well as knife crime, but I don't see the mass destruction or attempted mass destruction per the examples listed elsewhere.
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Not sure why some people need to always put the US in the spotlight, when similar atrocities happen in our own backyard. The difference is, that here, it simply gets hushed away (i.e. the tragedy which occurred last Sunday in Basel, or the deadly shooting in Zurich last month)...how many of you read or even heard about it? Truth of the matter is, that it can happen anywhere and anytime and I don't find it fair to bash on the US every time a shooting occurs, simply because there is more coverage on it.
These shootings were in all the major newspapers and on all the news internet sites.

The US has a huge amount of fatal shootings, a huge amount of shootings which are not fatal and a huge amount of shootings which were 'accidents'.

Guns don't kill people - people kill people. Guns just make it so much easier...

The US leads the world in school shootings, averages 20 mass shootings per year, and if you exclude Africa, has one of the highest number of shootings per year 12,996.

And how much higher would it be if the US had a police force like Brazil's?

The US is in the spotlight because it is not a third world country and yet has shootings comparable to third world countries.

Top on the list? Brazil 40,974

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Old 13.12.2012, 09:25
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

I have a couple of points to make. As I see it, the issue here is two fold. There is a cultural problem, as well as a logistical problem;

1. cultural.

Getting to the root cause of this, what sort of upbringing (or lack thereof), do you suppose these kids had, that they thought that this was a good idea? It seems to me that they were primed to shoot someone at the slightest provocation, which makes me think that they have had a full dose of the mainstream entertainment and cultural "coolness" of the gangster/violent image, without an equal dose of stable home life and parental guidance. They evidently had a complete lack of empathy for another human being.

2. logistics.

Where did they get the guns? It is illegal (even in the US). for a kid to own a gun of any kind, let alone a handgun. The picture in the article shows 2 guns. They had to come from somewhere; stolen, got from older gang kid, who knows?

You can have a person who's prone to violence, or you can have a person who has easy access to firearms. When you get the combination of the two, the results are toxic.

The bottom line here seems pretty simple to me. The kid shouldn't have been able to get a gun, and should have had better parental oversight and guidance. We can debate this until the end of time, and unfortunately, until one of those two conditions are changed in the equation, this kind of thing will continue to happen, both in the US and elsewhere.
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Old 13.12.2012, 12:22
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

Maybe we should go back to carrying swords, cause murder was never an issue until guns were made It is much, much easier to get a gun on the black market so "gun laws" are not a solution. Why don't we control the violence on T.V, music and video games instead?
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Old 13.12.2012, 12:31
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If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

Maybe we should go back to carrying swords, cause murder was never an issue until guns were made It is much, much easier to get a gun on the black market so "gun laws" are not a solution. Why don't we control the violence on T.V, music and video games instead?
You could do that too. You can't show a woman's breast in a film or on TV without upsetting half the population but a film showing someone's head being blown off is a family outing.
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Old 13.12.2012, 12:35
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If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

Maybe we should go back to carrying swords, cause murder was never an issue until guns were made It is much, much easier to get a gun on the black market so "gun laws" are not a solution. Why don't we control the violence on T.V, music and video games instead?
Absolutely spot on, ever wonder why we have emotions during viewing a movie? Our brain thinks it's real....on that note, I cried when Jaws died :-)
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Old 13.12.2012, 12:54
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

I wish I could prove that I love the US as much as anybody who partially grew up there, learned to live and love there, learned to think there, before I am accused of US bashing.
After 25 years of living there, I also learned ,that the one subject where normal, straight thinking , loving americans glaze over and start spouting slogans like: "Guns don't kill people...etc" and "When guns are outlawed...", it is this subject.
The ones who like to shoot at trees, with an AK-47, the hunters who will defend another's right to have a pistol because of the impending "Zombie Apocalypse" . The targetshooter that defends the Tree shooter w/ AK, they are all connected by a deep belief in something akin to a Holy Teddy Bear which they can grasp in their arms , in their dark moments.
Indeed, to quote the Beatles: " Happiness is a warm gun."

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Old 13.12.2012, 13:27
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I wish I could prove that I love the US as much as anybody who partially grew up there, learned to live and love there, learned to think there, before I am accused of US bashing.
After 25 years of living there, I also learned ,that the one subject where normal, straight thinking , loving americans glaze over and start spouting slogans like: "Guns don't kill people...etc" and "When guns are outlawed...", it is this subject.
The ones who like to shoot at trees, with an AK-47, the hunters who will defend another's right to have a pistol because of the impending "Zombie Apocalypse" . The targetshooter that defends the Tree shooter w/ AK, they are all connected by a deep belief in something akin to a Holy Teddy Bear which they can grasp in their arms , in their dark moments.
Indeed, to quote the Beatles: " Happiness is a warm gun."

Cheers

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This just sounds "glazed over" from the other side of the argument...

The US suffers from an unnecessarily high level of moral relativism. For fear of offending someone, the culture prohibits forming any sort of judgement of an individual or placing any stigma on a behavior. I don't think that gun laws, censorship of media, or tougher jail time will solve this. The only thing that will solve this is holding individuals accountable for their actions. If you are found to have done something wrong, you are held accountable for this (the means varies to the action) and while the burden of proof falls on the prosecution to convict you, once convicted, the burden of proof falls on YOU to convince society that you belong again.
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

America was founded with freedom in mind. Now it runs on fear. Fear and freedom do not make compatible bedfellows.
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America was founded with freedom in mind. Now it runs on fear. Fear and freedom do not make compatible bedfellows.
This is very true... shockingly so, actually...
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Connecticut primary school shootings

Sadly it happend again .Conn. elem.school shooting CBS reports 27 dead,I hope there wrong http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle6360052/
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Connecticut primary school shootings

at least 10 children killed . WTF. I sitting here ,thinking about my grand kids there in the same age
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

disclaimer: I am a Libertarian, I think that people should be able to get up
to whatever they wish (including blowing their own brains out with their weapon of choice),
provided they don't unreasonably inconvenience others.

however, (and this is my opinion in case St Tex is reading), I believe an exception should be made for assault rifles,
automatic hand guns and other weapons designed to kill with blinding speed and overwhelming force,
weapons which have no sporting application(s). my reasons are:

leaving aside the (*relatively* rare) sensational big ticket massacres (the school, shopping mall & workplace attacks),
a gun in private hands in the usa is, when it is used to kill people (as opposed to deer, squirrels & other big game),
most often turned on its owner or his loved ones or close associates of the owner.

fewer guns in circulation, particularly automatic assault weapons & the like,
would it make more difficult to kill people (an example close to home is that bloke in Zuri Affoltern,
who apparently had the chamber of his own
hand gun emptied into him by his estranged girlfriend - had she attacked him
with a knife, it is likely that he would have had time to defend himself, and have lived.)

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Sadly it happend again .Conn. elem.school shooting CBS reports 27 dead,I hope there wrong http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle6360052/
Two towns over from where I grew up, was even there this summer.

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Two towns over from where I grew up, was even there this summer.

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Do you still have fam. there ?
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

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