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Old 17.12.2012, 22:02
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

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I am sure having guns in the wrong hands accounts for more lives than either of your examples added together, by a long way.
I think not.
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Old 17.12.2012, 22:43
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I think not.
Do you honestly think that the majority of shootings in the U.S. are due to self-defense rather than used, for example, to rob or murder?
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How on earth can you tell? There is plenty of evidence to prove that having a weapon to hand has saved lives. Sadly there is also plenty to prove that not having one has cost lives.
I'd be interested in a link to the "plenty of evidence". in the meantime, here is some very, very simple math for you, from a native Detroiter - if you own a gun, you are more likely to need to use it than if you don't own a gun.
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Some time in the new year - I'd like to ask all the parents of the children killed what they think about gun control.

Thank goodness my 6 and 4 year old grand-children live in the UK, and not the US.

As just said on BBC news- the problem in the US is the people themselves - the gun lobby is huge and so powerful.
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

While I neither have a recipe to solve the problem in my pocket nor see any such recipe, I think that the USA should stiffen and improve the licencing and registration laws and structures about weapons. Weapons owners also ought to be forced to ensure that their weapons are securly stored and cannot so easily be grasped by not authorized people.

Such measures will not make incidents impossible, but at least reduce the risks
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I'd be interested in a link to the "plenty of evidence". in the meantime, here is some very, very simple math for you, from a native Detroiter - if you own a gun, you are more likely to need to use it than if you don't own a gun.
If you own a gun it's a good idea to use it regularly, I do. I'll post the link you want later I'm new to this iPad.
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While I neither have a recipe to solve the problem in my pocket nor see any such recipe, I think that the USA should stiffen and improve the licencing and registration laws and structures about weapons. Weapons owners also ought to be forced to ensure that their weapons are securly stored and cannot so easily be grasped by not authorized people.

Such measures will not make incidents impossible, but at least reduce the risks

I totally agree with the safe and secure storage of fire arms. However registry and licensing however was attempted in Canada and was a total failure. I'm not claiming it can't be helpful, but it was a lot more complicated, tedious and unproportionally expensive for any potential safety, than any supporters could imagine.
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Some time in the new year - I'd like to ask all the parents of the children killed what they think about gun control.

Thank goodness my 6 and 4 year old grand-children live in the UK, and not the US.

As just said on BBC news- the problem in the US is the people themselves - the gun lobby is huge and so powerful.
Why on earth would you do that? I hope you're not serious.
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Do you honestly think that the majority of shootings in the U.S. are due to self-defense rather than used, for example, to rob or murder?
Without getting too far into the details on this one, surely if someone is shooting at you (and presuming you are not the criminal party) you are acting in self defence. I've never been in this situation thank heavens. However I have been robbed and threatened with a knife and wished I'd had a gun. Wouldn't you?
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Some time in the new year - I'd like to ask all the parents of the children killed what they think about gun control.

Thank goodness my 6 and 4 year old grand-children live in the UK, and not the US.

As just said on BBC news- the problem in the US is the people themselves - the gun lobby is huge and so powerful.
personally, i'd not ask those parents.... Too cruel.
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However registry and licensing however was attempted in Canada and was a total failure. I'm not claiming it can't be helpful, but it was a lot more complicated, tedious and unproportionally expensive for any potential safety, than any supporters could imagine.
Well, Australia flat outright banned assault rifles and shotguns after the massacre in Tasmania in 1996. According to this source they had 12 killing sprees in the 18 years prior to that and none since. The overall risk of getting killed by shotguns was reduced by 50%.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland/...story/30827253
Australia certainly has more dangerous wildlife than the US, thus all those 'I need my AK-47 replica in order to go hunting for cougars' arguments are not really valid either.
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Old 18.12.2012, 07:09
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However I have been robbed and threatened with a knife and wished I'd had a gun. Wouldn't you?
Following your logic:
If I wanted to rob someone
and had reason to believe that my victim might be armed with a gun
and had easy access to a gun myself
I'd upgrade from the knife to something more convincing. Wouldn't you ?

What would you be looking for in this case ? A rocket launcher ?

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Old 18.12.2012, 07:28
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Like this you mean?

...the land of the free...
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Old 18.12.2012, 07:31
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How many kids died in the Chinese incident?

Of course it is still horrific but none of the kids as far as I am aware actually died.
Yes, to attack someone with a knife is way more "personal" than with a gun, you have to be close and really make an "effort", whereas a gun you can be 20-30 meters away...

the comparison between knives and guns is just ridiculous...
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The best soldier in the Navy Seals/SAS could not have got a gun out a secure cabinet quick enough to stop this boy killing someone.
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Oh yes they could.
Anecdotal evidence only, but the Fort Hood killing happened on the most populous US base worldwide. Thousands of soldiers did not stop the gunman, a civilian police officer did.
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Can you provide reasoned arguments of why "an average Joe" should own a gun?
So after 14 hours no one is able to provide a reasoned argument of why "an average Joe" should own a gun.

Come on guys - give it a go.
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I will attack your arguments, but I don't personally attack you. I would kindly ask if you would do the same. Calling someone an idiot is simply immature, rude, and demonstrative that you don't have anything rational to contribute to the argument...
I almost had the impression you are the victim here, almost, as I have actually read your comment in the red-rep!

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If you had been paying attention you would have seen I did actually make rational (at least to some of us here) arguments against guns. I am still waiting for you to do so pro-guns.
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Oh yes I do, you on the other hand clearly do not. I can open my safe in about 30 seconds I have a thing called a key.
In those 30 seconds after the kid entered the classroom you would have been LONG DEAD!!!
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I'd be interested in a link to the "plenty of evidence". in the meantime, here is some very, very simple math for you, from a native Detroiter - if you own a gun, you are more likely to need to use it than if you don't own a gun.
If you own a gun it's a good idea to use it regularly, I do. I'll post the link you want later I'm new to this iPad.



Sorry to put it this way but: you really don't get it OR you don't want to get it.

Obviously (at least for most of us) what he meant by "need to use" is that gun owners are more likely to get into situations where they have to use a gun and NOT for practice, if you know what I mean (if you still don't, then I can explain it to you).
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I have been robbed and threatened with a knife and wished I'd had a gun. Wouldn't you?
And you know what a very probable outcome of that would have been?

Rhetoric question, but in view of former difficulties, let me answer that to you: YOU YOURSELF GETTING SHOT (maybe with your own weapon)
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