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No. It's not.

I mean, to the gun nuts yes, but to ordinary people the difference between being able to shoot 11 bullets in a couple of seconds and twenty in a single burst is purely academic.

Especially if you're on the receiving end :-/
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Old 19.12.2012, 02:00
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True, but I don't know what that woman was thinking by exposing her emotionally-unstable son to guns in the first place. And no matter how responsible someone may try to be with their guns, there is still no way to ensure that they won't end up in the wrong hands, etc.

I remember reading an article just a few days before the Conn. tragedy in which a guy (in the U.S.) went to a gun store, trying to sell one of his guns. The store wasn't interested. So as the guy was leaving and putting his son in the car, the gun accidentally went off and he killed his son.

Gun ownership comes with a huge amount of responsibility that I think even the most cautious and careful people can't always master.

If that shooter in Connecticut hadn't been taught how to load and fire a gun (or know where to get one), there would be 20 more little innocent lives in the world right now.
So sorry, but as right you as wrong you are. The boy according to all reports now becoming available was NOT regarded as emotionally unstable . To be shy and reluctant does not make you emotionally unstable. RIGHT you indeed are in so far as the mother should have realised an existing problem but clearly failed to do so. And here we come to an important problem. You can guard your weapons against strangers and neighbours, but people in your family will know the access to your stuff even if you do NOT want it. How to load and fire a rifle or pistol can be found out in the internet. And again, I right tonight listened to an interview with Mr Alan Diaz, a schoolfriend of the shooter, and also this person did NOT regard the shooter as emotianally unstable or even deranged . To jump to conclusions in hindsight leads nowhere
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

To put it simply, there are around 300,000,000 Million guns in America.

There are around 350,000,000 people in america.


At least 1,000,000 of them are absolutely nuts.....
....why are we so confused about why this is happening, guns do not have a second purpose, they do not make toast, the cant make the bed, they are no good for eating porridge with.....they are just for killing

It doesnt take a geious to work that out.....its a shame there is no one of any intelligence left in the US.
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Many of my American friends now want guns made available to principals and teachers of schools.

Oh my God.


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To put it simply, there are around 300,000,000 Million guns in America.

There are around 350,000,000 people in america.


At least 1,000,000 of them are absolutely nuts.....
....why are we so confused about why this is happening, guns do not have a second purpose, they do not make toast, the cant make the bed, they are no good for eating porridge with.....they are just for killing

It doesnt take a geious to work that out.....its a shame there is no one of any intelligence left in the US.
Fear trumps intelligence.
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Old 19.12.2012, 11:17
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It doesnt take a geious to work that out.....its a shame there is no one of any intelligence left in the US.
Quite a blanket statement
On that note, how do you define intelligence. Most people would have have labeled the Conn. accused as intelligent, and still would if they were to ignore one day's worth of horrid actions.
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To put it simply, there are around 300,000,000 Million guns in America.

There are around 350,000,000 people in america.


At least 1,000,000 of them are absolutely nuts.....
....why are we so confused about why this is happening, guns do not have a second purpose, they do not make toast, the cant make the bed, they are no good for eating porridge with.....they are just for killing

It doesnt take a geious to work that out.....its a shame there is no one of any intelligence left in the US.
Yes i am fully aware of the ignorance and rudeness of this statement.

But, get real people, what is the purpose of a gun!!
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Old 19.12.2012, 12:46
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Yes i am fully aware of the ignorance and rudeness of this statement.

But, get real people, what is the purpose of a gun!!
Shooting things. Making some kind of dessert called a "pistol whip". Scaring people you don't like. Scaring people you do like, for a laugh. Shooting bastard pigeons. War re-enactment parties. Killing 6 year old kids. The list is endless.
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Old 19.12.2012, 14:45
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

It's weird how a mere fact that somebody has a gun or knows to shoot works people up. Well, understandable considering the tragedy now, really. But to try to argue the point just to read weird pseudo and pop psychological analysis on why I like to shoot, am proud of it, love guns, defend them, am a gun lover, a gun advocate...come on. Gun happy place? Which is it, one that has guns, has people who know how to shoot, consider guns to be ok when handled correctly, or a place where people buy it when they do not have interest in sports, hunting or machines, etc?

Things are not simple. Writing stuff out here is not going to make it simple.

But I am glad to see some level headed thinking here too, not just witch hunting, etc. Why get personal. Why analyze why one wouldn't want to banalize the whole affair and wash their hands right after a simplistic "out with guns" and the rest will follow. It won't.

I think reducing the whole climate right after the tragedy to one and only sentiment is dangerous. Twin towers came down, bam, all Arabs and terrorists. A nutcase murdered innocent children, bam and it must be the out with all guns solution. How smart is that?

It is as banal, pointless and inefficient as the simplistic "I am afraid so I will get a gun, just in case....and maybe I can even, like, in a decade or so when kids are older and can open the cabinets, I can actually smarten up about gun safety".. How smart is that?

Get a grip. Gun in my country have protected. CIA guys I know protect with them more than kill. A hospital guard I know protects the meds stock with it in order to have aid necessary for those who need. There always be guns where there is something or somebody to protect.

I am thinking about my kitchen and plastic knives we will once cook with. I am thinking about pathetic labels on safety there are all over US products. Why contribute to this mindset with simplistic shortcuts in how to solve an issue which is far more ingrained, dangerous and complicated.

I have zero attitude to guns, and do not have an emotional bond with them, nor am proud that I can operate efficiently whatever is out there. If one's country goes through some tough times, your attitude changes. It's the attitude of protecting others, not attitude of owning a skill to abuse it. Owning a skill means you have to step up the plate if needed and protect others. That's all. I have never been trained to actually even protect myself. It was always a sense of community. If it is different in the US, there needs to be campaign and legislature to follow, but not sure if complete or superstrict ban is going to cut it or actually endanger population more.

And, just for the record, "automat" is not a cutsy, familiar name, but a word from my mother tongue. And the image of guns somebody posted (not sure anymore which thread it was), the 3 weapons, to my knowledge, those are actually legal here. I just rode a train with a soldier having his gun in one hand and a beer in another. A weird feeling, sure beans. But haven't encountered any mass hysteria. Nor there was on his gun a label that would say "handle responsibly". (it was actually on his beer). If there are places that can have a gun access and deal with it well, then the reason why nut things happen must be something else. Restriction is a good thing, careful licensing, safety of production, coaching, supervision, etc. is needed. But I just cannot bring myself to believe a simplistic "out with guns" will be a medicine for what that young person did.

Wish it was.

The prohibition mindset is getting old.

I am missing responsibility. It won't happen even if a whole community grieves together. The concept of responsibility cannot be replaced by just an aftermath emotion that we all feel together now. It's a false cohesion.

We all have to responsibly think on how to prevent a person wanting to kill, not what he kills with, since there are gazilions of ways. The hostility is pathological and needs to be prevented. We all have to prevent. Taking guns away, just as means to actually kill, is a cop out. Take out whatever you can that people can kill with. You will still be stuck with a killer who wants to harm society. He will just opt for different way to kill.

If people feel that getting rid of the actual means to kill with, I understand their point. I still think we have to go, all of us, way beyond that one last step. Besides, it is very impractical step, and considering weapon production and other countries gun laws, very lengthy, if impossible one.
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Old 19.12.2012, 15:01
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Many of my American friends now want guns made available to principals and teachers of schools.

Oh my God.

i don't know who you hang with, but thankfully most of mine think this is the most ridiculous, harmful and just plain stupid idea they have ever heard.

not all americans are gun happy idiots and i hate the fact that the view people have is that most are. yes there are some lumps in the gravy but to say this is a common thought among americans is wrong.
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Taking guns away, just as means to actually kill, is a cop out. Take out whatever you can that people can kill with. You will still be stuck with a killer who wants to harm society. He will just opt for different way to kill.

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That is a terrible argument bandied about by the pro-gun lobby (and especially by the pro-gun wackos).

Easy access to guns make it very simple to kill one or more people very easily and with or with pre-meditation.

Without guns, a lot of murders, and suicides and definitely a lot of mass killings will not take place.
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Shooting things. Making some kind of dessert called a "pistol whip". Scaring people you don't like. Scaring people you do like, for a laugh. Shooting bastard pigeons. War re-enactment parties. Killing 6 year old kids. THE BILLAG MAN. The list is endless.

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It did not take long before religion is brought into the mix........
Yep. There's always some one who'll bring it up.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

MC, this is a sad day for me as it is the first time I disagree with you.

There is nothing wrong with shooting as a hobby, like my neighbour and his son. Or as a hunter like my cousin. But why allow people to have automatic or semi-auto weapons at home? My neighbour and cousin have several guns, and all locked safely in a special cupboard- and they have the only key always on themselves. Why is that too difficult?
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

fyi, you can get one of these puppies at Walmart this afternoon. will run you about $800 and a short wait while Walmart runs a quick background check. warms your heart to think of how many red-blooded Americans will be finding one of these under their Christmas tree next week, huh?

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Dude, the freedom fries, you forgot to tell em about the freedom fries.
besides the fries, a purchase before Christmas also comes with a care package considering of jorts, a Jack Daniels tee-shirt and a CD of Ted Nugent's "Greatest Hits".
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