Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #621  
Old 20.12.2012, 15:40
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 5,367
Groaned at 235 Times in 156 Posts
Thanked 11,778 Times in 3,585 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
Refreshing, perhaps, but pointless and rather self-indulgent.

It's just dinner party chit-chat gone digital.

More croutons anyone?
Says the man who has a blog.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank olygirl for this useful post:
  #622  
Old 20.12.2012, 15:48
Dougal's Breakfast's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 16,555
Groaned at 1,063 Times in 822 Posts
Thanked 44,086 Times in 13,632 Posts
Dougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
Says the man who has a blog.
The blog is a collection of stories. No chit-chat there.

Perhaps you might like to click on the link below and see for yourself?
Reply With Quote
  #623  
Old 20.12.2012, 15:58
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 5,367
Groaned at 235 Times in 156 Posts
Thanked 11,778 Times in 3,585 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
Perhaps you might like to click on the link below and see for yourself?
Stop sounding creepy. You're better than that.
Reply With Quote
  #624  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:02
Dougal's Breakfast's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 16,555
Groaned at 1,063 Times in 822 Posts
Thanked 44,086 Times in 13,632 Posts
Dougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond reputeDougal's Breakfast has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
Stop sounding creepy. You're better than that.
It's a link. Click or ignore, it's up to you.

How is a link creepy?
Reply With Quote
  #625  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:07
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 12,378
Groaned at 265 Times in 173 Posts
Thanked 14,701 Times in 6,226 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
The primary purpose of a gun is to KILL.
in the military, yes.

for the average joe buying a gun, no. or perhaps you could say yes to the extent that it is used for self-defence.

but almost nobody buys a gun to go on a mass killing spree.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #626  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:10
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,737
Groaned at 360 Times in 294 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
in the military, yes.

for the average joe buying a gun, no. or perhaps you could say yes to the extent that it is used for self-defence.

but almost nobody buys a gun to go on a mass killing spree.
A gun is designed to kill. It doesn't matter whether it is in the hands of a trained military personnel or an average Joe. It is still designed to do the same thing.

Self defence is the NRA's answer - but once everyone has a pistol - everyone will need a semi-automatic pistol - then a fully automatic - then a assault rifle - and grenades.

That approach worked really well during the cold war!
Reply With Quote
  #627  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:12
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 11,589
Groaned at 316 Times in 253 Posts
Thanked 16,071 Times in 6,578 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
secured storage
Agreed - but this could be even safer if the secure storage was at a gun club (or the ammunition was).

Or, are you of the mind that guns should be allowed to be kept at home for self-defence?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #628  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:16
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 12,378
Groaned at 265 Times in 173 Posts
Thanked 14,701 Times in 6,226 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
A gun is designed to kill. It doesn't matter whether it is in the hands of a trained military personnel or an average Joe. It is still designed to do the same thing.

Self defence is the NRA's answer - but once everyone has a pistol - everyone will need a semi-automatic pistol - then a fully automatic - then a assault rifle - and grenades.

That approach worked really well during the cold war!
it's designed to kill. whoopdy-doo. that's your argument?

just because it is a weapon, it doesn't mean it has to be used for one. a lot of things developed from warfare/weapons into sport.

shooting, martial arts, fencing, various equestrian sports, archery, paintball.

for most people with firearms, they have them for self-defence and recreation. they are not buying it with the intent of going out and murdering someone. this is bourne out by the statistics (just look at the number of guns and ammunition bought and used every year and how much of that is at the gun range vs used in homicide).
__________________
By replying to this post, you hereby grant Phil_MCR a royalty-free license to use, in any way, anything posted by you on the internet. If you do not accept, stop using EF and delete your account.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #629  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:16
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 12,378
Groaned at 265 Times in 173 Posts
Thanked 14,701 Times in 6,226 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
Agreed - but this could be even safer if the secure storage was at a gun club (or the ammunition was).

Or, are you of the mind that guns should be allowed to be kept at home for self-defence?
at the club is fine for sport.

though obviously, if you allow them for self-defence, then they would need to be kept at home.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #630  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:29
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,737
Groaned at 360 Times in 294 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
it's designed to kill. whoopdy-doo. that's your argument?

just because it is a weapon, it doesn't mean it has to be used for one. a lot of things developed from warfare/weapons into sport.

(just look at the number of guns and ammunition bought and used every year and how much of that is at the gun range vs used in homicide).
A gun is able to kill at range - quickly and efficiently. Very little else can do so - and be readily available to so many.

If you wish to use the "bullets fired" to "People kill" ratio - then expect the "miles driven" to the "people killed" ratio to also be used in your apples vs oranges comparison.

Guns should not be required by a society outside of law-enforcement/military. The fact the US so readily allows its citizens to own and use them is rather alarming.

EDIT:
In the US there are approximately 2,500,000,000,000 driven miles per year - with 30,000 road deaths - about 1 every 100,000,000 miles

In the US there are appox. 300,000,000 guns - and 15,000 people killed each year. Let say each gun is fired 10 times? 100 times? That would mean a death rate of 1 person per 200,000 or 2,000,000 bullets fired.

Last edited by dodgyken; 20.12.2012 at 16:44.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #631  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:48
Assassin's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chasing clouds
Posts: 4,045
Groaned at 180 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 11,560 Times in 3,148 Posts
Assassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond reputeAssassin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

If you look back historically, I'm sure that you'll find the killing efficiency has improved dramatically. I remember seeing all those Western movies and there were an awful lot of ricochets in amongst those shots being fired before all the Red Indians were wiped out ....
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Assassin for this useful post:
  #632  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:49
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,737
Groaned at 360 Times in 294 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
If you look back historically, I'm sure that you'll find the killing efficiency has improved dramatically. I remember seeing all those Western movies and there were an awful lot of ricochets in amongst those shots being fired before all the Red Indians were wiped out ....
True - I bet if the A-Team was around now they would be far better at killing people with the latest rifles.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #633  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:52
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 9,253
Groaned at 181 Times in 156 Posts
Thanked 17,625 Times in 7,484 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
If you look back historically, I'm sure that you'll find the killing efficiency has improved dramatically. I remember seeing all those Western movies and there were an awful lot of ricochets in amongst those shots being fired before all the Red Indians were wiped out ....
I remember seeing movies where the baddies fired dozens of shots at James Bond but never hit him, but he only needed to shoot back once and they were dead.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #634  
Old 20.12.2012, 16:59
ProsperityJoy's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 1,179
Groaned at 386 Times in 197 Posts
Thanked 1,077 Times in 555 Posts
ProsperityJoy has earned the respect of manyProsperityJoy has earned the respect of manyProsperityJoy has earned the respect of many
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
A gun is able to kill at range - quickly and efficiently. Very little else can do so - and be readily available to so many.

If you wish to use the "bullets fired" to "People kill" ratio - then expect the "miles driven" to the "people killed" ratio to also be used in your apples vs oranges comparison.

Guns should not be required by a society outside of law-enforcement/military. The fact the US so readily allows its citizens to own and use them is rather alarming.
It's getting worse! At this US school they are already allowing teachers to carry weapons. You can read about it here. Who is to say a teacher, principal, or administrator won't snap! This is like curing the problem of drunk driving by giving the drivers more alcohol, yeah...that ought to fix it. The US are fools and unfortunately it's only going to get worse. Even professionals make mistakes with guns, such as the incident in NYC at the Empire State Building. Nine people were shot, eight from the misfiring of policemen! A man killed his young son after leaving a gun shop as they were getting into the car, he thought the gun chamber was empty. Two policemen were killed just a couple of days ago and they carried weapons!

The US is turning themselves into the laughing stock of the world. They can't solve their own problems but yet they are full of advice to other countries on what to do about their societies. Where will it end in a society where people no longer trust each other? A person would have to be a fool to think that more guns means more safety. If that were true, then the US would be the safest country in the world!

This is why the "arm the civilians" argument is so deeply troubling. The individuals who chant "less gun regulations will decrease violence" do not seem to have the cognitive skills to foresee consequences. Their utopia is to have the populace of the US degenerate into an anarchical militarized zone, ruled by fear and paranoia, which in fact is happening as we speak. The scenarios are endless. US has time and time again shown their immaturity, and violence is inherent in the very makeup of the country. US seems to have not reached , or aspired to a truly civilized society.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank ProsperityJoy for this useful post:
The following 2 users groan at ProsperityJoy for this post:
  #635  
Old 20.12.2012, 17:05
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 7,790
Groaned at 98 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 5,265 Times in 2,958 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
I remember seeing movies where the baddies fired dozens of shots at James Bond but never hit him, but he only needed to shoot back once and they were dead.
That proves the point that guns don't kill but the ones who pull the trigger do. Same applies for psychos on shooting spree. Not everyone goes on shooting spree though. At the same time, I would feel a bit safer in the world with less guns and strict gun regulations. I wouldn't also voluntarily walk in creepy places where chances of somebody using any kind of weapon are higher than none. Anything could be a weapon from needle, pen, pencil to frying pan. It is just those with twisted minds that are threat to society but not all the sharp objects and gunpowder inventions.
__________________
🎾That's what we do to help English speaking expats community in Switzerland:
General Information About Swiss Tennis
Tennis Lessons Summer Winter Seasons
🎾🎾Our charity organization to help unprivileged kids to realize their dreams:
FMTF Supports Tennis For Children in Southern Africa
Reply With Quote
  #636  
Old 20.12.2012, 17:08
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,737
Groaned at 360 Times in 294 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
Anything could be a weapon from needle, pen, pencil to frying pan. It is just those with twisted minds are threat but not all the sharp objects and gunpowder inventions.
Did you seriously just compare a semi-automatic assault rifle to a pencil?

Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #637  
Old 20.12.2012, 17:12
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 7,790
Groaned at 98 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 5,265 Times in 2,958 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
Did you seriously just compare a semi-automatic assault rifle to a pencil?

Seagulls and delta force commandos could probably faster and more effectively kill with a wooden piece thrown precisely than amateurs would be able to fire semiautomatics
Reply With Quote
  #638  
Old 20.12.2012, 17:15
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,737
Groaned at 360 Times in 294 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
Seagulls and delta force commandos could probably faster and more effectively kill with a wooden piece thrown precisely than amateurs would be able to fire semiautomatics
So YES then

Reply With Quote
  #639  
Old 20.12.2012, 17:24
jacek's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aargau
Posts: 7,790
Groaned at 98 Times in 77 Posts
Thanked 5,265 Times in 2,958 Posts
jacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond reputejacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Not comparing here how faster, sharper or spitting more bullets per second and their ability to kill. Bottom line is anything at wrong hands can be lethal. Don't give him a gun he will use spear, bayonette, knife or bow/cross-bow and end result will be the same. Guns don't kill by pulling trigger telephatically but people who physically use them. Gun kept in gun-depot is safe and harmless. That was my point.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank jacek for this useful post:
  #640  
Old 20.12.2012, 17:33
Rodica's children's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 118
Groaned at 16 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 78 Times in 60 Posts
Rodica's children has earned some respectRodica's children has earned some respect
Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

Quote:
View Post
If you look back historically, I'm sure that you'll find the killing efficiency has improved dramatically. I remember seeing all those Western movies and there were an awful lot of ricochets in amongst those shots being fired before all the Red Indians were wiped out ....
So now we're looking to fiction for our facts?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Rodica's children for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
brown, darren wilson, ferguson, gun control, guns, kids, police, shooting range, usa




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The 2nd Amendment as explained by a Brit Sean Connery Other/general 126 07.12.2012 15:41
Gun import from the US DantesDame Other/general 4 04.12.2012 18:02
US Gun Control Laws Caviarchips International affairs/politics 179 20.08.2012 23:48
The US taking control of the Interwebz? Nelly_Da_Hefferlump International affairs/politics 4 14.10.2010 01:30
Washington Post story about gun control in Switzerland Bartholemew Swiss politics/news 39 23.05.2007 14:24


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:26.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0