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I challenge some of you to go live in east L.A for two weeks. If you don't have a gun by the second day, you'll be dead by the third or hiding in your closet for the remainder of the two weeks. I think a lot of you forget the fact that we still have gangs, mafia, and cartels in just about every major city. Most of them aren't even U.S citizens. The Korean cartel is one of the worst, and of course we all know about the Mexican cartels. Did you know Mexico has a complete ban on guns? last time I checked Mexico is not a land full of cute furry little bunny rabbits with rainbows shooting out of their asses. Quite the opposite.
And for the record I have never owned a gun, except for a family heirloom rifle with a bit of history behind it. But that's locked away.
I have also been lucky enough to not have lived in areas that were gang ridden. Except L.A
I am not interested in gun control because I think it will stop the gun violence in East LA, southside Chicago or eastside Detroit, I am interested in gun control because it is one measure we can take as a country to prevent gun violence everywhere else. I can easily avoid the gun violence in East LA by never going there.
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Re: Impression of U.S. gun owners

The more I think about how Americans live (and die), the more I see this sichzophrenic society where you have the ability to rise to the top and live the great capitalist dream and then you feel like you have to protect yourself from those that haven't got what you worked so hard for. It's what I wrote about before with respect to having this "do not fail" mindset that Americans are force fed from an early age.

There's this almighty great big "monster in the room" lie that no one speaks about. Yes, you can live an amazing life in the States, but you've always got to look over your shoulder and make sure that no one is trying to rip you off or steal your possessions. You see where the guns enter the scenario, in many cases I see them as tools to stave off paranoia.

Is there a solution? Of course, but expecting harmony and caring is rather utopian when Americans can't accept equality and sharing even though they have more than they could possibly ever need. Racism, greed and a love of firearms are not the catalysts which America needs to improve their lot.
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

Well plus the fact that the 'militia' here is actually government controlled and compluslory, it's basically just a cute name they give a conscript army. And the conscription here is far longer term than most other countries.

Anyway, whichever side you are on in the US debate, this guy is a bit of a fool who believes some crazy stuff.

He cites the UK handgun ban as causal with a rise in crime. Wasn't UK gun law already massively more restrictive than US way before that?
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Well plus the fact that the 'militia' here is actually government controlled and compluslory, it's basically just a cute name they give a conscript army. And the conscription here is far longer term than most other countries.

Anyway, whichever side you are on in the US debate, this guy is a bit of a fool who believes some crazy stuff.

He cites the UK handgun ban as causal with a rise in crime. Wasn't UK gun law already massively more restrictive than US way before that?
Its scary to think that the NRA which yields such massive power in the US political arena, is comprised of such people.

And the fans of this guy will think he "won"
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Anyway, whichever side you are on in the US debate, this guy is a bit of a fool who believes some crazy stuff.
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Its scary to think that the NRA which yields such massive power in the US political arena, is comprised of such people.

And the fans of this guy will think he "won"
There's a large chunk of "fools" who believe this guy is right.
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Old 09.01.2013, 10:06
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

I find it amazing, when I watch this guy, the resemblance with some debates on EF with some posters. Don't let a good discussion and facts get in the way of "I am right and it doesn't matter if I don't make any sense."
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

Oh dear, what a delusional idiot. I gave up after a minute, he'd said so many things wrong in just that little bit of the interview. The banks are bragging that they've taken away everyone's guns except US and Switzerland? Maybe someone should just go out and him.

Really sad that many Americans believe this rubbish.
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

I like how he kept answering questions with absurd questions, such as "How many chimps can dance on the head of a pin?"
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Re: Impression of U.S. gun owners

...and there you are on to something, Mr. Assassin, plus that the other elephant in the room is all those who have a found and turned to a virtual life to escape their frustrations and no longer know what is real and what is illusion.
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Re: Impression of U.S. gun owners

I do agree that large clip assault rifles has no place in a society.
If I were president I would severely restrict the production of weapons. I.E made to order for an approved person only. You can't control guns when Smith and Wessin produces 1,000s (?) everyday. Or Lockheed Martin or, or, or.
My argument is that gun control will not work without addressing the other evils of society like mental health and treating drug addiction as a public health issue and not a crime issue.

Example A
Mexican drug lord officially thanks U.S lawmakers for keeping drugs illegal
"I owe my whole empire to you"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_179596.html
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

What I want to know is where is my gun. I live in Switzerland, shouldn't I have a gun to protect myself from Chairman Mao and Hitler?

Hang on..... I think I'm confused.
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The more I think about how Americans live (and die), the more I see this sichzophrenic society where you have the ability to rise to the top and live the great capitalist dream and then you feel like you have to protect yourself from those that haven't got what you worked so hard for. It's what I wrote about before with respect to having this "do not fail" mindset that Americans are force fed from an early age.

There's this almighty great big "monster in the room" lie that no one speaks about. Yes, you can live an amazing life in the States, but you've always got to look over your shoulder and make sure that no one is trying to rip you off or steal your possessions. You see where the guns enter the scenario, in many cases I see them as tools to stave off paranoia.

Is there a solution? Of course, but expecting harmony and caring is rather utopian when Americans can't accept equality and sharing even though they have more than they could possibly ever need. Racism, greed and a love of firearms are not the catalysts which America needs to improve their lot.
the layer you're missing is that there are people whose entire living is premised on the fear and suffering of others. it's not the people who are living the great capitalist dream who look over their shoulders, but rather they sell the middle class and upper middle class on the need to look over their own shoulders because that fear sells guns, movies, alcohol, clothes, homes, etc. same as the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the country sell their own people on how evil "the Man" or "the system" is, because that fear and hatred fuels the empires that dudes like Jackson and Sharpton build. same as the pharma industry sells people on bullshit "addictions" and "disorders", because it sells more drugs (drugs, btw, which invariably cause their own addictions and disorders).

there are stupid and naive people everywhere, but I have come to the conclusion that we Americans have more than our share. and not because of bad genetics, but rather because we have spent the last 50 years systematically beating the innate ability of people to think critically, exercise skepticism and question authority out of them as part of the education process.
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I challenge some of you to go live in east L.A for two weeks. If you don't have a gun by the second day, you'll be dead by the third or hiding in your closet for the remainder of the two weeks. I think a lot of you forget the fact that we still have gangs, mafia, and cartels in just about every major city. Most of them aren't even U.S citizens. The Korean cartel is one of the worst, and of course we all know about the Mexican cartels. Did you know Mexico has a complete ban on guns? last time I checked Mexico is not a land full of cute furry little bunny rabbits with rainbows shooting out of their asses. Quite the opposite.
And for the record I have never owned a gun, except for a family heirloom rifle with a bit of history behind it. But that's locked away.
I have also been lucky enough to not have lived in areas that were gang ridden. Except L.A
I think a lot of you forget the fact that we still have gangs, mafia, and cartels in just about every major city.

Surely this is a matter for your judiciary to sort out then? a poor judiciary is no excuse for rampant gun hoarding. If your judiciary is broken, fix it. The UK had rampant gangs in the 60s and 70s, we dealt with it. It wasnt easy but we are reaping the rewards now.

Mexico is not a land full of cute furry little bunny rabbits with rainbows shooting out of their asses. Quite the opposite.

Neither is the US. Are you trying to say that its the mexicans fault that a very large number of americans distort the constitution? I'd question why it is the cartels go to the US at all...there is obviously a demand for the drugs they smuggle in. Why not try and destroy the demand?

You're basically saying you need guns because your way of life is under attack, yet i see no real attempt at constructive maintenence of that way of life. If cartels are the problem, tougher drug law enforcement and preventative policy making is the answer, not allowing jonny yankee to go and buy an assault rifle designed to fire 900 bullets a minute and kill everything in its path at a gun convention.
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What I want to know is where is my gun. I live in Switzerland, shouldn't I have a gun to protect myself from Chairman Mao and Hitler?

Hang on..... I think I'm confused.
Nope, that mega bank UBS has already spirited it off you. Part of the global conspiracy you know.
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

I found this old Alex Jones clip, at least he has moved on to new conspiracies:

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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

Alex is a very passionate Texan.

I do worry about his heart, he is going to kill himself soon if he doesn't chill out.
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there is obviously a demand for the drugs they smuggle in. Why not try and destroy the demand?
tougher drug law enforcement and preventative policy making is the answer.
This is biggest heap of B.S I have ever seen. So your saying we need lock up even more drug users and spend even more money on the war on drugs?
Can you not see that the war on drugs is a complete failure?
Are you seriously suggesting MORE enforcement?

Seriously. Get real.

Leagalize it, treat addiction as an illness and not a crime. Portugual did it and cut their addiction in half.
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

He's not the only one unfortunately. There are plenty of Americans who believe more guns will make the US safer. This from the BBC website today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20906072

Funny, when I was at school in the 60s there were no guns on the premises and we were safe. When my third cousin was at school in the 80s it was keep your head down and don't draw attention to yourself in case someone took a shot at you. Was she safer than I was? Doesn't sound like it to me. And that was in Oklahoma, not LA or New York.

What will we see next? A handgun in the bedside unit next to a copy of the Bible in every hotel/motel room, just in case you forgot to bring your own?
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

Piers on good form in that video. Although he can be smarmy and smug on occasion, here he played it very well but remaining calm.
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Re: Alex Jones rant... Switzerland model gun country

Ok so just watched the full thing, love the mock British accent he put on at the end.

Obviously Alex was not using this interview as a way of debating guns with Piers, but gaining more exposure for his views on various subjects.

Poor Piers, didn't know what him in that interview did he, haha

So what is the answer to the question as to why ten times the amount of people die in hospitals due to hospital acquired infections than to guns? Piers didn't have an answer for it as he wouldn't answer any of Alex's questions. Does anyone know?
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