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I think Andy Borowitz said it best on Twitter:

Maybe I'm a dreamer, but I wish mental health care were as easy to get as, say, a gun.

This is so incredibly sad. Kindergarten kids killed. And it makes me angry - if you want to have a gun, yeah, ok. But wtf does someone need 100 rounds of ammo with a hand gun? As someone else said on FB, it seems that the people disagreeing most strongly with gun control are the same people who also seem to be against mental health care.

Have to turn off the news media, but the talking heads are sooo empty.
I so agree with this post and was going to write something about this subject before I saw it so well, now I steal it.
I guess besides gun control, if health care (including mental) were more accessible (and hopefully it will be more accessible) these things would not happen...
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

Today we focus on evaporating hate.we send light to those with mental illness that cause them to commit heinous acts.and we send love;deep,deep,authentic love to those that are feeling unspeakable,unimaginable sorrow.
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Sorry but he could have made a difference as soon as he became president, like many others before him.......... he chose not to.
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Sorry but he could have made a difference as soon as he became president, like many others before him.......... he chose not to.
That's substantially oversimplifying the issue. There's a congress, a senate, supreme court, and some very powerful lobbying groups standing in the way of a president just "choosing" to do something.
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

As much as I personally hate firearms and the laissez faire attitude towards them in the States, we all know that access to guns isn't the only issue.

That is some hatred or morbid fantasy that a young man has to have to be able to slaughter so many young children; innocent children who have become victims purely because they were in the wrong place when this guy freaked out.

Words fail to express the magnitude of this crime that steals lives away from children whose parents will have to bury their young without seeing them play their first softball game or see them put on their cleats and play football on a late summer's evening from the bleachers. There won't be any grandchildren to share memories, just the date of 12-14-12 etched on the tombstones.

America, if you're not willing to curb the violence, then the slaughter will continue to pick off the good citizens one by one across every state until there are no longer any moving targets left to shoot at.
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That's substantially oversimplifying the issue. There's a congress, a senate, supreme court, and some very powerful lobbying groups standing in the way of a president just "choosing" to do something.
Its not really.
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Its not really.
Yes, it is, and if you don't understand that, then you don't know enough about US politics, and how passing a law in the US actually works. Obama is not a king, or a dictator.

Edit - For what it's worth, I basically agree with you about the need for substantial reform. But, I guarantee you, if this event has any effect it at all on current US gun policy, that effect will be a slight acceleration of the slow, incremental shift towards more sensible gun laws that's been in progress for decades now. (Forget about a ban!)
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Old 15.12.2012, 00:54
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

Do we really think that if Obama had taken a clear, principled stand on gun law during the presidential campaign he would have been re-elected?

In the nasty world of real politics, he just wasn't prepared to take the risk.

Was that cowardly or pragmatically walking away from a fight that he could not hope to win? Or both....
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now though, as a second term (with not as much to lose) he has a chance to take a chance on a lot of things, let's hope he takes it.
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Its not really.
There are people who - out of ignorance or malice - choose to stand in the way of any meaningful reform. Please don't add to them with this childish Obama-could-have-fixed-it-but-didn't nonsense. Please read the newspapers, follow the debate online or on TV. NOTHING gets done easily in US politics. There is intense lobbying and millions of $ on both sides of each debate - be it around same sex marriage, or gun control or fiscal cliff...
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Yes, it is, and if you don't understand that, then you don't know enough about US politics, and how passing a law in the US actually works. Obama is not a king, or a dictator.

Edit - For what it's worth, I basically agree with you about the need for substantial reform. But, I guarantee you, if this event has any effect it at all on current US gun policy, that effect will be a slight acceleration of the slow, incremental shift towards more sensible gun laws that's been in progress for decades now. (Forget about a ban!)
I wanted to groan you but in some ways I agree but its not just about Obama, there have been many before him, and many 'teams' before him that could have potentially prevented this.

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There are people who - out of ignorance or malice - choose to stand in the way of any meaningful reform. Please don't add to them with this childish Obama-could-have-fixed-it-but-didn't nonsense. Please read the newspapers, follow the debate online or on TV. NOTHING gets done easily in US politics. There is intense lobbying and millions of $ on both sides of each debate - be it around same sex marriage, or gun control or fiscal cliff...
As I said its not just about Obama he is one of a long line of presidents that could have helped improve the situation.
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Nbc says weapons were registered to gunman's mother. Why does a school teacher need two guns and a rifle?
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Would it be possible for Obama to issue a presidential decree, forbidding the carrying or selling of firearms by private citizens?

There would then be an immediate law, which must be obeyed, and the NRA would have to start an impeachment process. By which time Obama would be out of office and most people would realise they can get along today without the need of firearms.
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Would it be possible for Obama to issue a presidential decree, forbidding the carrying or selling of firearms by private citizens?

There would then be an immediate law, which must be obeyed, and the NRA would have to start an impeachment process. By which time Obama would be out of office and most people would realise they can get along today without the need of firearms.
You want to see a civil war breakout? That's what you will get in 15 minutes.
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Nbc says weapons were registered to gunman's mother. Why does a school teacher need two guns and a rifle?
She's American-
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Would it be possible for Obama to issue a presidential decree, forbidding the carrying or selling of firearms by private citizens?

There would then be an immediate law, which must be obeyed, and the NRA would have to start an impeachment process. By which time Obama would be out of office and most people would realise they can get along today without the need of firearms.
As tragic as the situation is a ban is extremely unlikely, unlike the UK where the people practically threw their guns away, (they were loaded on a barge and dumped in the irish sea by the way) I rather doubt that the Americans would part with their firearms by decree, only education, education, education would, in just a few generations, change things
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I think what you will get out of this is armed school patrols by parents, not more regulation.
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I think what you will get out of this is armed school patrols by parents, not more regulation.
You're probably right.
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Re: Connecticut primary school shootings

Present economical model is presented and glorified by ruling class and Milton Friedman as a trickle-down. In reality what is trickling-down is violence. From the top to the bottom. It is excellent business for them, 300.000.000 pieces of firearms is privately owned in US!?

How come the Health Care is so tightly regulated and guns, assault rifles, and ammunitions are not? Is it accident? Of course not.




If anybody expecting that is going to change he/she is...what's right word...cognitive bias, delusional or something else?
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