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most NRA members are lucky to bag a deer every fall, let alone evidence any true military training.

Couldnt agree more. Which makes the strength of the NRA all the more worrying.
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My definition would be a civilian, unpaid, unregulated, armed force who exist to defend or support their land.
Judging by that, one could argue the NRA is a militia-like organisation.
Following your definition the Taliban qualify as a militia. And from a US legal perspective the Taliban are considered terrorists.
That means that the Patriot Act could be enforced against the NRA, right ?
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Old 11.01.2013, 12:41
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Following your definition the Taliban qualify as a militia. And from a US legal perspective the Taliban are considered terrorists.
That means that the Patriot Act could be enforced against the NRA, right ?
One could quibble about the reason they exist, but otherwise, lets hope so .
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Old 11.01.2013, 13:26
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The NRA equates gun control with banning guns. There is no difference to them. If it was up to them there wouldn't be any laws concerning guns.
not even a second amendment?
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Old 11.01.2013, 13:28
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Following your definition the Taliban qualify as a militia. And from a US legal perspective the Taliban are considered terrorists.
That means that the Patriot Act could be enforced against the NRA, right ?
Is there actually a legal definition of a terrorist.
I thought it's just a word people like to throw about with.
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Old 11.01.2013, 13:30
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The NRA feels it has to oppose all gun control efforts at first base. This is because they fear 'the thin end of the wedge'. Not unusual in all interest lobbies. What's needed to bring these guys to the table is an offer of give and take, cancel some legislation on firearms and enact another.
Furthermore, like many lobbies and interest groups, the leaders may be acting the way they think their memebership wants them to act rather than really acting as they would act. I am sure not everybody in the NRA is an uncomprimising crazy.
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Furthermore, like many lobbies and interest groups, the leaders may be acting the way they think their memebership wants them to act rather than really acting as they would act. I am sure not everybody in the NRA is an uncomprimising crazy.
This article seems to cover the relationships pretty well....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2434142.html
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The NRA is not a militia, it is an interest group. A powerful one yes but simply that.
I did not mean that they are "literally" a militia, but they have the power to become one if they desire.Their reasoning is equated with one who does not want to reason despite the evidence. Very dangerous indeed..
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Old 11.01.2013, 15:59
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Couldnt agree more. Which makes the strength of the NRA all the more worrying.
other than their politics (which people can either agree or not agree with), there is nothing whatsoever "worrying" about the NRA, 90% of whom are perfectly normal, loyal and law-abiding citizens.
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Old 11.01.2013, 16:07
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This article seems to cover the relationships pretty well....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2434142.html
More interesting on that page was Wyoming's stance that they would make it a criminal act to enforce any federal gun control law that got introduced.

Not exactly the United States any more, is it?
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Old 11.01.2013, 16:15
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More interesting on that page was Wyoming's stance that they would make it a criminal act to enforce any federal gun control law that got introduced.

Not exactly the United States any more, is it?
Oh, would you like to see the Wyoming version?

Brace yourself...

http://newsninja2012.com/congratulat...#axzz2Hbo0iEri
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Old 11.01.2013, 16:24
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Re: Further developments in the shootings in USA

I wonder if gun owners in the US use the 2nd Amendment as a justification or an excuse for owning firearms?

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other than their politics (which people can either agree or not agree with), there is nothing whatsoever "worrying" about the NRA, 90% of whom are perfectly normal, loyal and law-abiding citizens.
After the recent fiascoes, any normal, loyal, law-abiding citizen still loyal to the NRA is a blubbering idiot!
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After the recent fiascoes, any normal, loyal, law-abiding citizen still loyal to the NRA is a blubbering idiot!
Does that apply to the UK NRA too? Yes we exist
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I wonder if gun owners in the US use the 2nd Amendment as a justification or an excuse for owning firearms?
I'm not sure if anyone saw an earlier post I made on the discontinued 'nasty' thread, but it is an interesting historical fact that the US Bill of Rights took influence from our (UK) pre 1800 law base. It's interesting reading.

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Am...ilosophers.htm

http://www.history1700s.com/articles/article1121.shtml

As I commented in the earlier post, it looks like we've been shafted
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Re: Further developments in the shootings in USA

Under the strict control of parliamentary legislation. I dont think anyone has a bad word against the UK version. I certainly dont.

Perhaps the US NRA could learn a thing or two from them...
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I wonder if gun owners in the US use the 2nd Amendment as a justification or an excuse for owning firearms?

I imagine, both.
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other than their politics (which people can either agree or not agree with), there is nothing whatsoever "worrying" about the NRA, 90% of whom are perfectly normal, loyal and law-abiding citizens.

90% of people who support the taliban across the middle east will not do a thing about it, and are also perfectly normal, loyal, and law abiding.


Its the 10% that are the reason the NRA is dangerous. 10% of 4.2million is not a small number.
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Old 11.01.2013, 17:56
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Does that apply to the UK NRA too? Yes we exist
Who knows...but if they are anything like the one in the USA, then YES!
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Is there actually a legal definition of a terrorist.
I thought it's just a word people like to throw about with.
It's what the big army calls the small army.
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