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90% of people who support the taliban across the middle east will not do a thing about it, and are also perfectly normal, loyal, and law abiding.


Its the 10% that are the reason the NRA is dangerous. 10% of 4.2million is not a small number.
you're seriously comparing the NRA to the Taliban???

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Old 16.01.2013, 02:17
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Re: Further developments in the shootings in USA

I am sorry, there has been another shooting, in a business school in St Louis

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/shooting-re...210324594.html
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Old 16.01.2013, 02:59
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The NRA is not a militia, it is an interest group. A powerful one yes but simply that.

Well, if you want to be so exact, you have to realize that "the Taliban" no longer exist. The people, described in the media and by military chaps, no longer are a single organisations, but a variety of different organisations, only united in their opposition against the Hamid Karzai rulership and the western allies up in Afghanistan. In case of elQaeda, most people described as or describing themselves as elQaeda in reality are just members of elQaedaNetwork franchisees spread widely around (your local terrorists group)
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New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

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Old 16.01.2013, 14:53
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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

I am continuously amazed by the fact that lots of people in the US associate gun ownership with some form of safety or security.
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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

What a staggering dumb advert.
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What a staggering dumb advert.
Please elaborate
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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

Obama's children go to school under armed guard because (a) Washington D.C. is one of the most dangerous cities in the world, and (b) where his children attend school is a matter of public record. in case the NRA hasn't noticed, Obama is not permitted to enter a McDonald's without his secret service detail, is the NRA proposing that every American needs to arm themselves before heading out for a Big Mac and fries?

the NRA is frankly playing this whole situation even more incredibly poorly than could have ever been imagined.
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Old 16.01.2013, 16:59
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Obama's children go to school under armed guard because (a) Washington D.C. is one of the most dangerous cities in the world, and (b) where his children attend school is a matter of public record. in case the NRA hasn't noticed, Obama is not permitted to enter a McDonald's without his secret service detail, is the NRA proposing that every American needs to arm themselves before heading out for a Big Mac and fries?

the NRA is frankly playing this whole situation even more incredibly poorly than could have ever been imagined.
From a neutral stand point, my response would be:

The sickening acts of senseless slaying of children and innocent people in schools, cinema's and shopping malls have occurred in some of the least dangerous cities in the world. This would suggest that there is no pattern to where these events occur. Why would the most dangerous cities need gun protection when seemingly, the safest ones are not safe?

I don't think anyone is advocating arming themselves for a trip to McDonalds, but merely, if the presidents children are under armed guard at school, then why should every other child not be under armed guard at school? Is this not, in effect, taking the safety of the presidents children above that of the regular person? Whether it be on public record or not is irrelevant surely?

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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

clone000 - do you actually have an opinion about anything that you'd care to write about or has your index finger been inadvertently been superglued to the "groan" button these past few days?

Debate, don't just groan.
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Old 16.01.2013, 17:03
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From a neutral stand point, my response would be:

The sickening acts of senseless slaying of children and innocent people in schools, cinema's and shopping malls have occurred in some of the least dangerous cities in the world. This would suggest that there is no pattern to where these events occur. Why would the most dangerous cities need gun protection when seemingly, the safest ones are having issues too?

I don't think anyone is advocating arming themselves for a trip to McDonalds, but merely, if the presidents children are under armed guard at school, then why should every other child not be under armed guard at school? Is this not, in effect, taking the safety of the presidents children higher than that of the regular person? Whether it be on public record or not is irrelevant surely?

P.S. It would appear Clone000 does not like this thread
I think she's in the NRA.
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Old 16.01.2013, 17:04
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I don't think anyone is advocating arming themselves for a trip to MacDonalds, but merely, if the presidents children are under armed guard at school, then why should every child not be under armed guard at school?
Because they're the president's kids. Because there are quite a few more people who would like to go out and kill them than would want to kill some average kid in an average school.

Isn't that reason enough to put them under extra protection?
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Because they're the president's kids. Because there are quite a few more people who would like to go out and kill them and would want to kill some average kid in an average school.

Isn't that reason enough to put them under extra protection?
Not just kill, but kidnap.
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Old 16.01.2013, 17:07
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Because they're the president's kids. Because there are quite a few more people who would like to go out and kill them and would want to kill some average kid in an average school.

Isn't that reason enough to put them under extra protection?
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Not just kill, but kidnap.
But I think this is the point.

So, we are effectively saying, he is the president, his children should be safer than yours? And that is ok?
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Old 16.01.2013, 17:10
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But I think this is the point.

So, we are effectively saying, he is the president, his children should be safer than yours? And that is ok?
No, we're saying his children are at greater risk than most other people's and therefore need higher levels of protection for them to have the same degree of safety as anyone elses.
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Old 16.01.2013, 17:16
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But I think this is the point.

So, we are effectively saying, he is the president, his children should be safer than yours? And that is ok?
That's about the weakest argument I've heard; I'd be embarrassed to even think about bringing that to the table.

Of course Heads of State's kids will get special treatment, that is nothing special in itself, show me any country on the globe that doesn't conform to that practice.

The NRA is "taking the fight" to the politicians. I think there's been enough fighting and killing done already wouldn't you say?
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No, we're saying his children are at greater risk than most other people's and therefore need higher levels of protection for them to have the same degree of safety as anyone elses.
As far as I am aware, there has never been a single attempt, in the history of America, to shoot up a school where the presidents children attend.

Thousands of American's have lost children in these tragic circumstances.

So, truthfully, whilst I fully recognise the need for certain people to have greater security, being a bigger target of threat and all, when it comes to the reality, the president is not losing or ever coming close to losing his kids. Now, if the protection was not there, then, ok, we may have seen some attempts at kidnap, or worse, murder.

Still, are we therefore saying the presidents kids are worth more than those lost every year?
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Still, are we therefore saying the presidents kids are worth more than those lost every year?
from my perspective, we should move every NRA member to Washington D.C. and then drop a massive, airtight dome over the city.
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As far as I am aware, there has never been a single attempt, in the history of America, to shoot up a school where the presidents children attend.

Thousands of American's have lost children in these tragic circumstances.

So, truthfully, whilst I fully recognise the need for certain people to have greater security, being a bigger target of threat and all, when it comes to the reality, the president is not losing or ever coming close to losing his kids. Now, if the protection was not there, then, ok, we may have seen some attempts at kidnap, or worse, murder.

Still, are we therefore saying the presidents kids are worth more than those lost every year?
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That's about the weakest argument I've heard; I'd be embarrassed to even think about bringing that to the table.

Of course Heads of State's kids will get special treatment, that is nothing special in itself, show me any country on the globe that doesn't conform to that practice.

The NRA is "taking the fight" to the politicians. I think there's been enough fighting and killing done already wouldn't you say?
Re: weakest...........From me or the NRA?

"Of course heads of........." why? Sure, most countries if not all operate the same way, even if most if not all have the level of guns on the streets as the US do, which aren't as easy to remove from the streets now they are there. But does that make it right? Other countries do it so the US should to? It must be difficult to reason with this if you lost a 5 year old kid to a gun nut who could of been stopped if a guard had a gun at the door protecting the school.
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