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I am continuously amazed by the fact that lots of people in the US associate gun ownership with some form of safety or security.
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Old 16.01.2013, 19:34
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So to answer the original question,

yes the presidents children are more important than mine. My child is the most precious thing in the world to my wife and I, and I am sure Obama and Michelle feel the same about theirs.

But as pointed out they are important to a nation, mine not so.

Equal protection. Does that mean every child in the US with full time armed security? Why just at school? Where do you draw the line? There have been shootings at least at school, cinema`s, a place of worship all in the last 6 months.

Work out the cost of armed guards (are we on one or have we moved to two in case one goes postal?) and the lack of practicality involved. If you have 2 and one goes postal he only needs to surprise the other guard so now do we have 3?

For a school with 600 an armed guard is financially possible but what about all the small schools?

The ad is just NRA bullshit and I think most Americans will see it such. They could offer much more logical arguments and they come up with this?

A change in gun laws, an amnesty, a buy back program are all starts. Then massive fines and jail for those still carrying.

But there have been loads of gun control threads here recently. Nothing has changed really just a dumb ad by the NRA.

No change will come easily in the US. There are two camps so far apart from each other that compromise and common sense will be difficult. Just as with the political split about taxes, health care, etc they will fight each other and it will be so drawn out that any progress will be very slow. Hope I am wrong.
I don't think you are wrong, I think this is sadly the reality.
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Old 16.01.2013, 19:55
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Why make such useless remarks as this? Somehow these debates bring out the obtuse don't they? Why don't you start a thread and then simply sign on with ten different names and thank yourself for being such a wit?
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Interesting. See, if I was given the choice, in America, to have my child under armed protection at school, and pay for it in additional school fees, I would. Whilst I am totally against police state, I would find myself and unwilling victim of a society created by my fellow man of which I need to take necessary action.

I would argue society has already failed, or is failing in the US, and alas, saddening measures are required.
This is like throwing water on a drowning person. More guns does not equal more safety. It only means more guns. And besides, what about those young impressionable minds? This will only show them that "the only way to solve a problem is with a gun." You have to think waaay ahead, further down the line. Which the US has failed to do in many instances of late.

You don't know how often Obama's children have been threatened. Did you know that Obama has been the most threatened president in history? Someone once reported he gets about 800 threats a day. I don't know, I think they have shown lots of courage by sending their children out in public to school period! I would probably have them going down the halls in armored Segways! These threats passes on to his family. His children can't go on dates, to the mall, to the park, on the merry-go-round like other children because he is the president and because of the way American society is. However, the former President Reagan had armed protection and was still shot!

Protection is not only about guns. It's about intelligent individuals who see the signs of impending danger as well. US became too "politically correct" and if you saw Joe Blow acting weird you can't say anything. Because if you do, you are "infringing on Joe Blow's rights."

This topic has been discussed on this forum before. Your thread topic would have been more creative if perhaps you had asked "What situation would cause you to use a gun to kill a person?" or "Do you think the gun dilemma in the US influences other nations?" Don't know if those two topics have already been discussed, or you would have been better off bumping up an old thread.

If you "really" want to discuss the debate "raw" then go on an American forum. You will find guns slinging. Check out this US forum, and there are plenty of others. I gave you a "silly" reply earlier due to your pretentiousness for starting this thread. Which does not mean you do not have the right to start it, but you can't control it.

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My possible answer? Have the courage to say "to hell" with the outdated and irrelevant 2nd amendment, ban all assault weapons and start restricting personal ownership and access to all firearms.

What's your possible answer?
My answer; restrictions yes, ban no. Murder is already banned enforce this rule first. Have the courage to say "to hell" and take the guns out of the hands of criminals before asking the law abiding to concede anything.
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This is like throwing water on a drowning person. More guns does not equal more safety. It only means more guns. And besides, what about those young impressionable minds? This will only show them that "the only way to solve a problem is with a gun." You have to think waaay ahead, further down the line. Which the US has failed to do in many instances of late.

You don't know how often Obama's children have been threatened. Did you know that Obama has been the most threatened president in history? Someone once reported he gets about 800 threats a day. I don't know, I think they have shown lots of courage by sending their children out in public to school period! I would probably have them going down the halls in armored Segways! This threats passes on to his family. His children can't go on dates, to the mall, to the park, on the merry-go-round like other children because he is the president and because of the way American society is. However, the former President Reagan had armed protection and was still shot!

Protection is not only about guns. It's about intelligent individuals who see the signs of impending danger as well. US became too "politically correct" and if you saw Joe Blow acting weird you can't day anything. Because if you do, you are "infringing on Joe Blow's rights."

This topic has been discussed on this forum before. Your thread topic would have been more creative if perhaps you had asked "What situation would cause you to use a gun to kill a person?" or "Do you think the gun dilemma in the US influences other nations?" Don't know if those two topics have already been discussed, or you would have been better off bumping up an old thread.

If you "really" want to discuss the debate "raw" then go on an American forum. You will find guns slinging. Check out this US forum, and there are plenty of others. I gave you a "silly" reply earlier due to your pretentiousness for starting this thread. Which does not mean you do not have the right to start it, but you can't control it.
What is interesting is you must by default feel, more gun laws, more gun restrictions, less "guards" equals less guns. This is quite frankly, more hilarious then George Bush's recent tenure as president, which had the world in stitches for some time.

What I believe is the guns are there and will be for a long time and any law, restrictions whatever will just increase the pockets of criminal gangs and not prevent nutters from going on shooting sprees. Which is why tough decisions need to be made on protecting youth and densely populated areas from serious threats of mass life taking attempts.

Now, I would side with the "young impressionable minds" line if I had not seen any American TV show, hip hop music video, playstation game, and see the way America likens guns to an every day toy. As it stands, that statement is just fluff.

They do need to think way down the line, but that does not deal with the here and now issues. They need to get away from this, it is cool to have a gun thing, and strip the guns from TV shows, and gaming and what not, and make it all less glamorous.

I dont really care how many times Obama's children have been threatened. That was not the point, and there is no sympathy from me on how they can't go on dates. I am pretty sure they will live a better life than the rest of us.
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Old 16.01.2013, 20:47
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What is interesting is you must by default feel, more gun laws, more gun restrictions, less "guards" equals less guns. This is quite frankly, more hilarious then George Bush's recent tenure as president, which had the world in stitches for some time.
I wrote how I "feel" I'm not being pretentious.

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However, adding more guns will not do that. We need "intelligent" wise individuals making decisions, with a lot of common sense thrown into the mix. Besides, re-read your statement above you are contradicting yourself.

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They do need to think way down the line, but that does not deal with the here and now issues. They need to get away from this, it is cool to have a gun thing, and strip the guns from TV shows, and gaming and what not, and make it all less glamorous.

I dont really care how many times Obama's children have been threatened. That was not the point, and there is no sympathy from me on how they can't go on dates. I am pretty sure they will live a better life than the rest of us.
In order to deal with the issues, here and now, you must think of the consequences of your decisions, "here and now." For every action there is a reaction. By adding guns, they are reinforcing the images that children see with the glamorization of these weapons. They are depicting that guns are the answer and that guns are cool.

You are the one who brought up Obama's children so you made it a point! Who cares whether you have sympathy for his children or not. Apparently you have sympathy for "no one's" children. You believe exposing them to more guns is perfectly acceptable! Well, ask the parent's who just experienced the recent tragedy.

In addition, You think the need for Obama's children to be followed continuously without hardly any privacy except when they go to the bathroom, if then, is leading a better life? You are thinking in a strictly acquisitive manner, lacking an ounce of empathy.
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Old 16.01.2013, 21:22
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The NRA argument is dreadful on so many levels.

By opposing armed guards in schools, we are accused of not caring for the wellbeing of our children.

It therefore manages to conflate a love of ones's own children with a love of high-powered, lethal weaponry.

It's a brazen, populist approach designed to push the buttons of the gullible.

The most potent argument against the NRA is that they constitute people prepared to deploy such astonishingly cynical tactics. The most potent argument against gun enthusiasts in general is that they do not have the wit or decency to understand that they are being led by the nose in this way.

Simply put, they are too stupid to be trusted with guns.
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My answer; restrictions yes, ban no. Murder is already banned enforce this rule first. Have the courage to say "to hell" and take the guns out of the hands of criminals before asking the law abiding to concede anything.
The problem with your line of 'reasoning' is that many (or perhaps most) of these people aren't criminals until they use the gun to commit a crime. I believe the shooter in Massachusetts had a perfectly clean record, and perhaps even he (despite his autism) could have obtained a gun permit.

There is simply no way of ensuring that guns only fall into the hands of the emotionally-stable. Even if you require a psychological test (e.g. the MMPI) for gun ownership, someone could easily pass the test but then later have a mental break-down or 'momentary lapse of morals.' There is no way to determine consistent mental stability since we obviously cannot see into the future.
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What is interesting is you must by default feel, more gun laws, more gun restrictions, less "guards" equals less guns. This is quite frankly, more hilarious then George Bush's recent tenure as president, which had the world in stitches for some time.

What I believe is the guns are there and will be for a long time and any law, restrictions whatever will just increase the pockets of criminal gangs and not prevent nutters from going on shooting sprees. Which is why tough decisions need to be made on protecting youth and densely populated areas from serious threats of mass life taking attempts.

Now, I would side with the "young impressionable minds" line if I had not seen any American TV show, hip hop music video, playstation game, and see the way America likens guns to an every day toy. As it stands, that statement is just fluff.

They do need to think way down the line, but that does not deal with the here and now issues. They need to get away from this, it is cool to have a gun thing, and strip the guns from TV shows, and gaming and what not, and make it all less glamorous.
While its true there are sooo many guns that changing the law going forward will have a long time to take effect which is why (like Australia) they need an amnesty and buy back program (specifically assault rifles).

The reference for me is always Australia as that is where I grew up (with guns in the house and I`ve shot a roo or two). After the Port Arthur massacre we changed our gun laws and there hasn't been a mass shooting since (believe 5 dead is the definition). Now Australia is not and never was the US. Never the same amount of handguns, or assault weapons but in my lifetime (25 to 30 years ago) you could buy a gun and ammunition at Kmart.

Taking away guns will create a black market but I reckon not every nutter will have easy access and a few may change course with a few blockades. It won't stop the truly determined. But it will slow them down, stop some imo.

You can`t blame TV or video games. Australian TV is largely American and we play same games, a lot of same music.

It`s the attitude in the USA that needs to change. The feeling of being threatened that always needs a violent response. Have you ever listened to those radio show wind ups in the US? It always ended with the caller threatening to Fup the radio presenters character and these people were boiling over. The minute they find it`s a wind up they are laughing their heads off yet seconds before they were willing to pull the trigger

Same as I watched a youtube of a 45yo skier dad (estimate) push a snowboarder over as the boarder was jumping around on a thin run in front of his kid. They had words and both sides were going to F each up (actual threat from 40yo) but he really didn't want to fight and backed off. But his first reaction was attack.
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The problem with your line of 'reasoning' is that many (or perhaps most) of these people aren't criminals until they use the gun to commit a crime. I believe the shooter in Massachusetts had a perfectly clean record, and perhaps even he (despite his autism) could have obtained a gun permit.

There is simply no way of ensuring that guns only fall into the hands of the emotionally-stable. Even if you require a psychological test (e.g. the MMPI) for gun ownership, someone could easily pass the test but then later have a mental break-down or 'momentary lapse of morals.' There is no way to determine consistent mental stability since we obviously cannot see into the future.
Given your line of 'reasoning' the US should disarm everybody including the armed forces and its police force. Yes I agree as humans we are all subject to possible mental illness but we make a trade off don't we? Are you suggesting that we trust the mental health of our protectors over society in general, given that these professions can also be very stressful?
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So to answer the original question,

yes the presidents children are more important than mine.
I love my children more than life itself.

Yet, without question the children of the US president are more important than mine.

Glad I live in a country where I don't need to think about it.
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Given your line of 'reasoning' the US should disarm everybody including the armed forces and its police force. Yes I agree as humans we are all subject to possible mental illness but we make a trade off don't we? Are you suggesting that we trust the mental health of our protectors over society in general, given that these professions can also be very stressful?
I think it's impossible for the U.S. to disarm everyone.

What I think the U.S. needs, most of all, is to stop letting itself fall victim to its own paranoia... and to stop wasting so much of its resources trying to police the rest of the world while it is crumbling from the inside out.
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I love my children more than life itself.

Yet, without question the children of the US president are more important than mine.

Glad I live in a country where I don't need to think about it.
Yes, I love my kids more than life too. But I don't think the president's kids are more important than mine in the scale of life for a life. I do think the president's kids have are in greater danger because of their dad's position.
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my husband and i were lucky enough to be at the first inauguration of president obama. the first thought i had when he was sworn in was that i hope he and his family stay safe and protected because knowing the lunatics that threaten to kill justin beiber's girlfriend or some other craziness i am sure there are tons of even crazier and much more able people who would try something against him and his family.

are they more important than my lovely boy? no, but my son certainly doesn't have the danger that his girls have. it is a sad day when we worry about the safety of children but in the u.s that day has been around a good long time. i think him and his family have a right to be protected, as any presidential family would be. and i'm sure there are far more threats against him than others before him.
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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

One of the aspects of gun control in the US that hasn't really been discussed is social demographics and a large population. In countries such as China and Russia, you have huge numbers people that are as strictly controlled as any other country (with some possible exceptions in the Middle East).

If you look how both China and the original Soviet Union were created after their revolutions last century, there were long periods of censorship, extermination of political opponents and extremism, the average citizen had few rights. In the US it panned out differently, armed citizens ousted the imperialists and a sort of co-operative fed into the mix that created the basis of independence that we now know. Unless you were a slave or a native American, you had a lot more rights than your peer had after any other country's creation. The picture of the firearm bearing citizen was engrained into history and folklore and nowadays into NRA propaganda.

But if you look at how the USA has developed since its inception 200 plus years ago, inbred violence and fear of oppressors has littered the rise of the world's most powerful nation. The Civil War may have settled the slavery issue, but it took another 100 years or so before its effects reached those it promised to liberate. And now the country could almost be an anarchy, because with the exception of the IRS, very few citizens would actually know who is in power by the way they live, because central government doesn't rule daily lives, businesses do. And on a scarier level, gangs control territories, drug use has infiltrated middle America and in this culture of possessions and selfishness, firearms are the tools that Americans have traditionally turned to to settle their issues.

The US Government doesn't control it's citizens, it can't. But maybe it should, but in a democratic and progressive way. Because now there's a nation of haves and have nots, the divide is increasing and the demographics show that the rift is increasing. You'll note how well off America largely criticized medical care for everyone, how every cent of increased taxes is fought like a personal limb is being removed. America cannot care for itself as a single entity, because it is pulling itself apart through selfish self interest and greed. And if the people can't elect each other to sort out the mess that they can't even see that they are in, then the underlying cancer will hit hard.

It starts with a more caring society as I've mentioned before. It starts with your block, your neighborhood, county, state and then the nation as a whole. Or you could buy some more magazines for your Bushmaster assault rifle and barricade yourself inside your mobile home and shoot the next trespasser who might be coming to rob you of your hard earned paycheck.

Today President Obama drew up plans to tighten gun control, but there are still way too many loopholes and there is no way to expect that the millions of weapons already in circulation will ever decrease to an acceptable or controllable level. How do you control hundreds of million of people that are armed just as well as the national authorities? You can't, and the NRA knows it.

Only changing attitudes and perspectives will disarm the madness.
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...think I read somewhere that the WH SS deal with an average of five credible threats...every day.
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...think I read somewhere that the WH SS deal with an average of five credible threats...every day.
If you said 'good morning' I'd check my watch.

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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

I do agree that there needs to be a dramatic shift in the general American psyche. Of course, I can only speak from my own experiences there, but it seems that so many Americans place their individual rights or desires far above and beyond the "good of the many" -- and few are willing to make any kind of sacrifice. I think that part of the problem is this strange notion referred to as "The American Dream." It seems that some people confuse that with a rather warped sense of entitlement (e.g. If I can afford it, I should be able to drive a huge SUV and should NOT have to pay more taxes if I earn more, etc. etc.).

Anyways, I think that ego can all-too-easily make blind one's common sense (and morality). And the NRA's response to the Connecticut shooting and Obama's new gun control has been nothing more than a big ego trip. It honestly makes me sick to my stomach and just makes me feel more thankful that I am living here now instead.
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