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I don't get that message from reading these posts at all. On an individual level, I doubt anybody here thinks somebody else's children are more important than their own. However, like you have acknowledged, the President's kids face a bigger risk than many - that is certainly one factor that makes their security detail necessary. Just as critical, however, is the need to protect the presidency itself. If you believe that having a clear headed president who is able to do his job is a good thing, then keeping his family safe is important. I imagine if a loved one of yours was kidnapped or worse it would impede your ability to do your job. His ability to do his job is certainly for the common good. In addition, if the children of the president were not highly protected (armed guard, intellegence, etc.) they would likely be an irresistible target and collateral for terrorists etc. to make demands that would be against the interests of the USA. Once again this is in detriment to the entire country. But this all presupposes that the president's job is important and necessary...

Well that is what several people have written and posted. If you note my additional words in the post, I suspect many meant, as Nil clarified, exactly what I went on to say in the rest of my post that you did not quote, and as you have repeated.
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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

I was thinking that maybe it was more like a Superman/Clark Kent situation.
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Old 17.01.2013, 15:27
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Old 17.01.2013, 16:10
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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

Throughout man's history, the man with the bigger club (or gun) can talk the loudest and "get away with it" whilst the man with the smaller club....they don't even call him a "man". Lets see, who talks the loudest at the G9 or UN or Global groups? US? Why? Because they are the cleverest?

I have watched the NRA advert. They did not say guns will make children safer. They just want equality for all. You jump I jump.

If every man (including criminals and criminal-minded people or insane nutcases) can promise to disarm (as if we can trust an insane man), I believe most legal gun owners will also disarm in unison. These of course do not include game or hobby gunners.

Then we can go back to throwing sticks and stones.

Now who has the bigger stone? (they will ban big MF boulders)
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One thing that has struck me is how willing people are to accept the presidents children are more important than their own. I do not think even the president himself would support that view.

I could never write or contemplate those words entering my head but perhaps gives an insight to the socially engineered mind of some Americans.
I Wrote it. To be clear my child is more important to me, Obama`s kids more important to him (although he could never admit that publicly), and his children more important to society, given his status and the impact that any harm would have on the nation/ world (potentially).

And I am NOT American (wife and kid are) so it`s not an insight into my socially engineered mind. I didn't grow up in the USA, only moved there because of the wife.
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Old 17.01.2013, 20:38
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I Wrote it. To be clear my child is more important to me, Obama`s kids more important to him (although he could never admit that publicly), and his children more important to society, given his status and the impact that any harm would have on the nation/ world (potentially).
You've written far more eloquently what I meant too when I posted last night after a glass of vino.
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Old 17.01.2013, 20:46
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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

Presidents kids more at risk of being hijacked for ransom me think...

Btw: That's max I can add to the discussion . Mummy didn't allow me to discuss religion, politics and conflicts matters. So I steer clear from NRA's agenda
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Throughout man's history, the man with the bigger club (or gun) can talk the loudest and "get away with it" whilst the man with the smaller club....they don't even call him a "man". Lets see, who talks the loudest at the G9 or UN or Global groups? US? Why? Because they are the cleverest?

I have watched the NRA advert. They did not say guns will make children safer. They just want equality for all. You jump I jump.

If every man (including criminals and criminal-minded people or insane nutcases) can promise to disarm (as if we can trust an insane man), I believe most legal gun owners will also disarm in unison. These of course do not include game or hobby gunners.

Then we can go back to throwing sticks and stones.

Now who has the bigger stone? (they will ban big MF boulders)
Perhaps this is some confirmation of the underlying insecurities, impotence and delusions of much of the gun cult...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/bushma...-card-campaign
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Old 18.01.2013, 09:29
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Perhaps this is some confirmation of the underlying insecurities, impotence and delusions of much of the gun cult...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/bushma...-card-campaign
Indeed. The NRA seem to encourage a sense of fear and mistrust. This fear is the perceived enemy and his gun, hell-bent on burgling you and molesting your family. The only antidote? Of course -- buy more guns. Make sure you can out-shoot your murderous fellow citizens.

They are too dumb to see that they help to create the very cycle that their followers live in fear of.
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...the NRA is frankly playing this whole situation even more incredibly poorly than could have ever been imagined.
Well actualy the NRA played this one very well. This ad, like ads for covertable cars played on the irrational part of the mind that causes people to buy or believe in something that makes no sence what so ever.

To (some) of us the ad is irrational, true. But there are other forces at play here.

If you don't follow me then check out this fellow... Edward Bernays born 1891. This guy pioneered the art of public relations in America. A very interesting story and a very little known person, something that will make sence to those who know his history.
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from my perspective, we should move every NRA member to Washington D.C. and then drop a massive, airtight dome over the city.
Although I am not in the NRA, nor intend to become a member I have to say that I really don't agree with your comment.

Smear and Lobby...this is politics in America --there is very little logic or ethical decision making it into the process. While I think the advert is unnecessary and a very weak argument for the NRA I can see why they are positioning themselves as they are.
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from my perspective, we should move every NRA member to Washington D.C. and then drop a massive, airtight dome over the city.
No no no. Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

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Well actualy the NRA played this one very well. This ad, like ads for covertable cars played on the irrational part of the mind that causes people to buy or believe in something that makes no sence what so ever.

To (some) of us the ad is irrational, true. But there are other forces at play here.

If you don't follow me then check out this fellow... Edward Bernays born 1891. This guy pioneered the art of public relations in America. A very interesting story and a very little known person, something that will make sence to those who know his history.
the NRA is certainly a powerful lobbying group, but its membership still represents only a very small fraction of the US population. its true "power", as is the case with all lobbying groups, is its ability to appeal to those outside its membership that are nevertheless sympathetic to its "cause". in this case, the recent advertisement and the statements by its leaders are certain to appeal the far radical element of its membership, but those people would be ardent NRA supporters no matter what; the advertisement and those statements, however, will only alienate the more moderate segment of its membership (which is candidly the majority) as well as those outside of its membership that are generally sympathetic to the cause.

I know that it is quite popular for non-US citizens to be cynical about US politics, but the reality is that - once all the dust settles from the various pissing matches between extremist lobbying groups and special interests - the middle ground almost always prevails. the key to understanding US politics is ignoring those fringe extremists and special interest lobbies and focusing on where the midrange is (which I know can be difficult given how intensely extremist and vocal the fringe can be), and the NRA is putting itself more and more on the fringe.
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So if your child is killed because there was no guard and the child did not attend the presidents school so was not privileged enough to be protected, you would be ok with this being of the certain disposition you are?
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Although I am not in the NRA, nor intend to become a member I have to say that I really don't agree with your comment.

Smear and Lobby...this is politics in America --there is very little logic or ethical decision making it into the process. While I think the advert is unnecessary and a very weak argument for the NRA I can see why they are positioning themselves as they are.
politics in American are perfectly logical, if you consider that the desired endgame is continued election. and, likewise, politics in America are as "ethical" as the people demand them to be.
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Indeed. The NRA seem to encourage a sense of fear and mistrust. This fear is the perceived enemy and his gun, hell-bent on burgling you and molesting your family. The only antidote? Of course -- buy more guns. Make sure you can out-shoot your murderous fellow citizens.

They are too dumb to see that they help to create the very cycle that their followers live in fear of.
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Perhaps this is some confirmation of the underlying insecurities, impotence and delusions of much of the gun cult...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/bushma...-card-campaign
While most of us will not live in fear or sleep with half an eye open, I have recently heard about a well-to-do familyman, who looks totally carefree and easy going, but he goes to bed with a .45 under his pillow. He lives in LA.
Why?

Like smoking, I believe people have a right to their own choices. If they want to smoke, ok, I just stay upwind.

If the government (any government) want to take away some of those freedom choices, it is up to the population to weigh the situation and make a judgement call FOR THEMSELVES.

If the majority wants to still be able to buy assault-type firearms with huge round capacities, then the minority should accept it or like Piers (big mouth) Morgan said, move out.

If the majority wants a gun ban or limit magazines, then the minority (say NRA) should just follow suit.
This is the beauty of Democracy, right?

During the campaign leading up to the ban or no-ban, anything goes. Especially in US politics.
You can call me bad and I can call you bad.

Obama is the President of USA. His family is protected not only from domestic mad men, they are also protected from mad men from overseas. So the comparison is not exactly apples-to-samsung.

But there is a little truth in the NRA advertisements. If personal guns are prohibited, who are you gonna call? Ghostbusters or the policemen who pepper-sprayed your young daughter?
Tough call.

These are just my off the cuff opinion. Please be gentle on me. I came with no guns.
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