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Re: New NRA Ad: Are the Presidents kids mor important than yours?

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The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/john-r...jews-had-guns/

If the Jews had had guns the holocaust would not have happened.

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Old 18.01.2013, 16:41
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

This thread can only end well...
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

Yes and Im sure theres some thing in the Bible to support that also... there always is!
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Old 18.01.2013, 16:47
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

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Old 18.01.2013, 16:50
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

It's not funny. My grandfather died at one of the camps. It was tough for the family, war is hell, but what went on at the camps was particularly atrocious.



He was drunk on guard duty and fell out of the watch tower.
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Old 18.01.2013, 16:51
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

He spouts the often-used mantra that tyrants took away people's weapons; in actual fact, gun control legislation was relaxed by the Nazi regime for "law-abiding citizens".
This didn't apply to the Jews of course.
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

Some people should never quit their day job... Apparently, speaking doesn't suit him well.
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

So John Rocker is advocating armed revolution? Not exactly a winning tactic?
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Old 18.01.2013, 17:01
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

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Yes and Im sure theres some thing in the Bible to support that also... there always is!
Well, to be fair, there's always something that some bloody idiot can twist so they can support their argument as being from God. Funnily enough, one of my FB contacts who is a UK Christian is arguing with a US Christian on this subject - which is where I found the link. The US Christian is coming up with all sorts of garbage that don't pass usual exegetical standards.

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This didn't apply to the Jews of course.
Have you got a source for that - I'll pass it onto the FB discussion.
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Old 18.01.2013, 17:05
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

The measurement of success in any social engineering effort is when the majority of the population demand what is in store for them.

So far so good, all is going to plan.
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

As Jon Stewart said last night.
France couldn't stop Hitler, and they had guns.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...13-lena-dunham
From around 8 minutes.
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Old 18.01.2013, 17:08
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Well, to be fair, there's always something that some bloody idiot can twist so they can support their argument as being from God. Funnily enough, one of my FB contacts who is a UK Christian is arguing with a US Christian on this subject - which is where I found the link. The US Christian is coming up with all sorts of garbage that don't pass usual exegetical standards.

Have you got a source for that - I'll pass it onto the FB discussion.
OK, it's from Wikipedia, but there are references:

"The 1938 German Weapons Act
The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:
  • Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition."[4]
  • The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[5]
  • The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.[5]
  • The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.[5]
  • Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[6]
Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation, which only applied to newly conquered Austria and Sudetenland, effectively deprived all Jews living in those locations of the right to possess firearms or other weapons."
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Old 18.01.2013, 17:57
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

Pure speculation. It is true that Jews had weapons confiscated. Of course, by then the *hit was already hitting the fan and they were a targeted people who were easy to find and grossly outnumbered. I am thinking that they did not stand much of chance, armed or not- which is also speculation, of course.

More disturbing to me, however, is the likening of Obama to Hitler and the activities of the current administration to the rise of the Third Reich. Obama is a democratically elected leader (Hitler was never actually elected in) who is trying to address an issue put forth to him by a great many of his people. He has made a list of well-meaning proposed measures (though I fear, largely pointless) including some that concede to NRA wishes ie. more policing of schools. We all know they will quite likely will be slapped down in congress. There you go - Democracy at work. Sorry, not seeing the rise of a totalitarian regime in it at all. No disarmament. No "right to bear arms" taken away - not by a long shot.

Despite how dumb this guy looks, I am sure he is not. I am sure he knows full well the emotive power of invoking comparisons with Nazi Germany, and the frenzy and paranoia it can stir up. And given how unprovable such an theory is, his only aim could be in getting his 15 minutes of fame and fanning the flames. This is either helpful to his country nor responsible as a journalist.
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Old 18.01.2013, 18:02
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

Ironically, I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of Neo-nazi / White supremacist groups in the US are heavily pro-firearm.
I wonder, are you more likely to see neo-nazi paraphernalia at a pro-firearm, or anti-firearm gathering?
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Old 18.01.2013, 18:06
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Re: The Holocaust and the 2nd Amendment

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If the Jews had had guns the holocaust would not have happened.

Someone should tell the guy that Inglorious Basterds is not a documentary.
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Old 18.01.2013, 18:07
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It's not funny. My grandfather died at one of the camps. It was tough for the family, war is hell, but what went on at the camps was particularly atrocious.



He was drunk on guard duty and fell out of the watch tower.

Well, I couldnt help but laugh. Thx
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It's not funny. My grandfather died at one of the camps. It was tough for the family, war is hell, but what went on at the camps was particularly atrocious.



He was drunk on guard duty and fell out of the watch tower.

As can be seen in films like "Schindler's List", alcohol was lavishly distributed to the staff and especially the guards at these camps - few could bear the (emotional) stress without drugs.
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Old 18.01.2013, 18:35
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As can be seen in films like "Schindler's List", alcohol was lavishly distributed to the staff and especially the guards at these camps - few could bear the (emotional) stress without drugs.
Um, it wasn't real guys. You know, humor .....
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