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Because swimming pools, dogs and ovens (and Kinder eggs) are specifically designed to wound and kill people.
Yeah, and guns magically load themselves and then hide in random corners for kids to find...
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Re: Another case for the US gun control debate.

That picture was discussed here. Its really bad demagougery...
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That picture was discussed here. Its really bad demagougery...
Didn't know that. I prefer the one about little red riding hood that's kept away because she has a bottle of wine in her basket.....come on that IS ridiculous.
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Old 02.05.2013, 18:50
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Didn't know that. I prefer the one about little red riding hood that's kept away because she has a bottle of wine in her basket.....come on that IS ridiculous.
This is from a school system that reads Rainbow Fish to little children... what can you expect?
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Old 02.05.2013, 18:51
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Re: Another case for the US gun control debate.

This reminds me of the instructional speeches we did in high school. One of my classmates brought his hunting rifle and showed us how to clean it. Yeah, I'm old. No way they would allow that now! And no, I'm not from Kentucky.
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Just watched the news. When you look at the place they live, well, white trash would probably be the correct term. Which does not mean I do not consider it a tragedy. But I'm not surprised they let their kids handle guns.
White trash spawn trash kids? The kids don't look neglected.
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This is really sad on so many different levels I don't know where to start.
  • Buying a rifle for a 5 year old
Seems extreme, but maybe not in the Land of Opportunity's backlands.

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the father, Chris Sparks, works as a logger at a mill and also shoes horses. The family lives in a gray mobile home on a long, winding road, surrounded by rolling hills and farmland that’s been in the family since the 1930s.
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The median income for a household in the city was $17,209, and the median income for a family was $24,028. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkesville,_Kentucky#Demographics

Poverty threshold for 4-person household = $23,021
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/faqs/faq1.htm#thresholds
From a street tour with Google maps Burkesville doesn't look such a bad place. Maybe not a lot of money if they're just above the poverty threshold, but the houses and land seem well looked after.
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Yeah, and guns magically load themselves and then hide in random corners for kids to find...
Well it was loaded and stored casually in the corner of the room... and parents 'forgot' it was loaded.

The manufacturers do pretty pink ones for little girls - maybe the ideal present I was looking for for my grand-daughters 4th BD soon - just need a quick trip to Walmart.

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Re: Another case for the US gun control debate.

Yes it is indeed hilarious JRS
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Old 03.05.2013, 13:36
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Re: Another case for the US gun control debate.

I read an article about that shooting yesterday that said that, in parts of the U.S., it's common to give a child a gun for his or her 5th birthday present!



Stuff like that makes me all the more embarrassed to be American.
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Re: Another case for the US gun control debate.

Though it seems common sense not to give children guns, going by the "what can you expect from trailer trash?" logic, any city-living parent at the other end of the money and opportunity spectrum who accidentally runs over their child in a 4x4 could be accused by the same logic of putting conspicuous consumption above their child's welfare.
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Old 03.05.2013, 13:49
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I read an article about that shooting yesterday that said that, in parts of the U.S., it's common to give a child a gun for his or her 5th birthday present!



Stuff like that makes me all the more embarrassed to be American.
Think of it less as a reflection on being American (that's way too general, IMO) and more as a reflection on that specific sub-culture. I'm from Florida and I don't own every idea that Californians, Texans, or New Yorkers come up with, for example.
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Yes it is indeed hilarious JRS
Please point out where I said this tragedy was "hilarious"; its not. We're going back down the gun-debate path, an apparently 6-10 week cycle on the Forum, hence "Here we go again." Nothing more.
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Re: Another case for the US gun control debate.

I read about this on the beeb earlier and was surprised to learn that it's not such a rare case.

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In addition to the Sparks case, a five-year-old girl was shot and killed by her eight-year-old brother in western Alaska on Tuesday, while a seven-year-old boy shot his sister, nine, in the leg in Auburn, Washington state, on Thursday.
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Think of it less as a reflection on being American (that's way too general, IMO) and more as a reflection on that specific sub-culture.
Well, I wish it were that easy. There are gun freaks all over the U.S. It's not just confined to one particular area or one particular subculture. I wish it were, because then I'd know precisely where and what to avoid when I go back to visit.
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Old 03.05.2013, 23:18
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Re: Another case for the US gun control debate.

Here's another sad story that I just came across, where a four-year old (!) just shot and killed the wife of a deputy sheriff with the sheriff's own gun:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/08/us...?iref=obinsite

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Old 03.05.2013, 23:28
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I read about this on the beeb earlier and was surprised to learn that it's not such a rare case.
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Here's another sad story that I just came across, where a four-year old (!) just shot and killed the wife of a deputy sheriff with the sheriff's own gun:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/08/us...?iref=obinsite

But it works better in selling the other type of fear that you need to protect yourself from everyone, including your own government.

I don't get it, never will. Grew up in a "liberal" home in Upstate NY, where ironically lots of people are hunters, etc., and there are lots of guns. Perhaps an IQ test should be required as part of a background check...because if they are handled properly, accidents like these should be much more rare.

Sad story...
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Re: Another case for the US gun control debate.

It's a tragic enough case and it appears the parents were negligent for leaving a loaded gun within reach of the child.

However, to flip the gun control debate around a little...shooting is also a big sport in Switzerland - and there are youth events such as Knabenschiessen. At what age do such kids in Switzerland get to handle guns I wonder?

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But it works better in selling the other type of fear that you need to protect yourself from everyone, including your own government.

I don't get it, never will. Grew up in a "liberal" home in Upstate NY, where ironically lots of people are hunters, etc., and there are lots of guns. Perhaps an IQ test should be required as part of a background check...because if they are handled properly, accidents like these should be much more rare.

Sad story...
How about firearms insurance? Like car insurance, when one purchases a firearm, one must purchase an insurance policy. Insurance companies will research the actuarial tables to determine the various insurance rates for different firearms and charge accordingly. Benefits would include:

  • Identifies more dangerous weapons (from the actuarial tables)- this could be used to restrict sales of specific weapons versus a much less popular general ban
  • Encourages gun manufacturers to improve the safety of these more dangerous weapons- no manufacturer wants to be seen as selling "the most dangerous gun"
  • Provides a financial deterrent against purchasing these more dangerous weapons (as they cost more to insure)
  • Provides a financial deterrent against purchasing guns in general (cost of insurance would make ownership prohibitive for some...)
  • Creates financial incentives for gun lockers, trigger locks, gun safety training and (again, through actuarial tables) identifies which of these safety features work best and which should be improved
  • Encourages individuals to wait until they're older/more mature before purchasing a firearm (in the same manner as younger drivers tend to have higher auto insurance rates)
  • And doesn't take away anyone's rights.
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How about firearms insurance?
Perhaps not a bad idea...

I'd settle for just about anything if it means getting more guns out of circulation. A lot of people in the U.S. would probably have a fit, though... particularly the NRA. And therein lies the problem. The NRA is much too powerful. But the irony is that they claim they deserve their guns to protect themselves from the government, yet in some respects, the NRA is the government, since it often has so much influence over it.
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