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Old 08.09.2014, 12:03
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

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A reasoned article advocating training of kids and guns.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28958364
You know of course that here in Switzerland we train children as young as 10 to shoot guns?

Photo from Zuri Unterländer today.
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

The problem is not restriction of access to firearms. the overwhelming majority of firearms used in crimes were purchased as stolen property and are under the radar of legal restraints.

just sayin'
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Old 08.09.2014, 12:45
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The problem is not restriction of access to firearms. the overwhelming majority of firearms used in crimes were purchased as stolen property and are under the radar of legal restraints.

just sayin'

the vast majority (by a huge margin) of mass shootings have been carried out by legally held firearms

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Old 08.09.2014, 12:49
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Tom, are you such an insufferably pedantic git in real life too?
And as if you Brits ever let go being grammatically superior when you spot it? I think Tom's point was parents mean two people, and parent, means one. So when the other poster said parents, it was not a correct statement. It was parent.

Not that any of this matters. Grammar or not. The 20 year old killed a bunch of innocent children.
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Old 08.09.2014, 13:11
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The problem is not restriction of access to firearms. the overwhelming majority of firearms used in crimes were purchased as stolen property and are under the radar of legal restraints.

just sayin'
And your source for this opinion is...?
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Old 08.09.2014, 13:20
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

People buy guns in America to protect themselves from whatever they fear from. Get rid of the fear-mongering, make mental health a national health priority and take the political power away from NRA and things will improve.
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Old 08.09.2014, 13:44
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People buy guns in America to protect themselves from whatever they fear from. Get rid of the fear-mongering, make mental health a national health priority and take the political power away from NRA and things will improve.
Of course. Just like if you get rid of all the hatred and envy in the world and remove the political power from the autocrats and warmongerers things will improve the world over.

Knowing this doesn't really help much though, does it?
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

I've read the whole thread (well, not all, but most of it).

What happened to the instructor is tragic, and yes, a 9 year old has no business firing an Uzi. Parents AND instructor were equally irresponsible, in my opinion.

Yet, I am a 30+ year-old adult, and I happen to love target shooting. I have also gone hunting with friends who enjoy that, occasionally, and live in places where hunting is extremely regulated - Wisconsin, for example. Although I must say I never shot a living animal and likely never will, because it freaks me out - but I'll happily tag along, and afterwards help carry/register the animal (deers are heavy), clean it up, cut it up, and smoke the meat/make sausages.

As such, I am really bothered by the comments of the posters who imply that all who like guns are crazy nutheads. I like guns, and I like to shoot. Got a problem with that? Well, I have a problem with the idiots who run down a slope at full speed on a snowboard, let's ban those. Snowboards kill too.

I should mention that I would never consider keeping a gun in my house (it's perfectly fine where it is, locked up in a digital code-secured locker at the shooting range, i.e. the only place where I need to be using it) but that would encourage the "guns are evil" crowd, so I won't mention it

P.S. I'm not even American (yet)...go figure.
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Old 10.09.2014, 09:31
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As such, I am really bothered by the comments of the posters who imply that all who like guns are crazy nutheads
Did anyone actually write that?

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Well, I have a problem with the idiots who run down a slope at full speed on a snowboard, let's ban those. Snowboards kill too.
Do you have one of those irrational fears of cyclists too?
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

Good comparison; Uzi - Snowboard.
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Old 10.09.2014, 09:40
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

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P.S. I'm not even American (yet)...go figure.
You're getting there...
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Old 10.09.2014, 23:30
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Did anyone actually write that?

Do you have one of those irrational fears of cyclists too?
It's more the general "if people had never been exposed to guns they would have never become murderous nutheads", and "guns are just for laughs" and the like. Quite annoying statements, of course in my opinion.

No need to be afraid of cyclists, I am one too quite often, and there is space for all on the street. Cyclists who think that they are better than the street signs, just like pedestrians and car drivers, annoy me to no end. So basically, I am equally annoyed by everyone

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Good comparison; Uzi - Snowboard.
My point was not everyone who likes guns will automatically kill someone, just like even the most tree-hugger snowboarder could run into an innocent skier and bam!

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Old 11.09.2014, 11:22
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My point was not everyone who likes guns will automatically kill someone, just like even the most tree-hugger snowboarder could run into an innocent skier and bam!
But, as is nearly always true when comparing guns with other sporting or leisure activities, disregards the fact that guns are solely, intentionally and specifically designed to kill. Snowboards are not.

Good comparison? Nope
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Old 11.09.2014, 11:28
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the fact that guns are solely, intentionally and specifically designed to kill
No, some guns are solely, intentionally and specifically designed for target shooting.

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Old 11.09.2014, 11:34
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No, some guns are solely, intentionally and specifically designed for target shooting.

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Just a shame that these "targets" sometimes happen to be innocents who hadn't volunteered to be statistics to firearm crime.
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No, some guns are solely, intentionally and specifically designed for target shooting.

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What sort of percentage are we talking about here?

Is it 0.0001 percent or smaller?
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...the fact that guns are solely, intentionally and specifically designed to kill...
Not true. Guns are designed to dispatch projectiles through the air at high velocity. I've shot many kinds of guns over the years, both in the US and here, at paper or metal targets. Same goes for most of my shooting buddies and my wife and kids. We didn't even hunt (not that I'm against it in principle), let alone entertain homicidal ambitions.

Competitive and non-competitive sport (target) shooting are both very popular in the US. It has nothing to do with killing, nor do the design or manufacture of the firearms themselves.
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Not true. Guns are designed to dispatch projectiles through the air at high velocity.
Yes, and why would you want to do that if not to inflict death or serious injury? This is just pedantry in the extreme. The fact remains that the reason that guns were invented was to kill people.

I'm not trying to join in the anti- or pro- argument here, just taking issue over the comparison with other activities that may result in injury or death - none of them are intended to do so, whereas a gun most certainly is.
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Yes, and why would you want to do that if not to inflict death or serious injury?...
Read the rest of my post to find out exactly why.

[Apply your logic to knives, why don't you? They're designed to cut or slice. And "why would you want to do that if not to inflict death or serious injury?" Same with cars, heavy objects, toxic chemicals, etc. etc. ...When all you've got on your mind is murder, everything becomes a weapon. Your fallacious logic is exposed by the fact that all those things (including guns in the US) are routinely and deliberately used far more often for non-injurious purposes than otherwise.]
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Old 11.09.2014, 13:28
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Apply your logic to knives, why don't you?
Knives were first designed to cut meat and skins, not to kill.

You seem determined to try and present guns as somehow benign objects, which can be misused to kill, as can other things. Yes, that latter is true, but you need to accept that guns are a special case which don't bear comparison with the other things, simply because, by their very nature, the only reason guns were ever invented was to cause harm to other people.

Just accept this and move on; it's not as if it's a killing argument against their possession, but denying such basics does nothing to support any other pro-gun arguments you may make.
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