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Old 11.09.2014, 14:09
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

Target practice is a relaxing and meditative activity. It is like archery, darts, bowling or petanque. It is an exercise in mind-body control and discipline. One gets into a blissful state when they start hitting the bullseye without thinking or trying to hard.
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Old 11.09.2014, 14:19
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Target practice is a relaxing and meditative activity. It is like archery, darts, bowling or petanque. It is an exercise in mind-body control and discipline. One gets into a blissful state when they start hitting the bullseye without thinking or trying to hard.
Absolutely true - yet over the past 20+ years I have been doing exactly this, I never had a doubt in my mind what this assault rifle was actually built for... I don't see a reason to lie to myself or anybody else about it...

Just another perspective..
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Old 11.09.2014, 14:30
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Absolutely true - yet over the past 20+ years I have been doing exactly this, I never had a doubt in my mind what this assault rifle was actually built for... I don't see a reason to lie to myself or anybody else about it...

Just another perspective..
Do you mean about shooting people? I don't think in those terms when shooting. Hopefully will never have to. But its just the world we live in. It would be great if we can just close our eyes and simply wish it away. But that would constitute ignorance.
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Old 11.09.2014, 14:37
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Do you mean about shooting people? I don't think in those terms when shooting. Hopefully will never have to. But its just the world we live in. It would be great if we can just close our eyes and simply wish it away. But that would constitute ignorance.
Japanese has just about managed that by basically banning guns.

It's homicide rate by gun is one or two per year.

Are they ignorant, or is someone else ignorant?
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Old 11.09.2014, 14:40
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Japanese has just about managed that by basically banning guns.

It's homicide rate by gun is one or two per year.

Are they ignorant, or is someone else ignorant?

It means in Japan, you don't need a gun to protect yourself. The country has also disarmed. But I bet you anything that a large number of them using archery as a meditative practice.

By the way, Japan is also a totalitarian state.
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Knives were first designed to cut meat and skins, not to kill...
And we know this exactly how?

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...the only reason guns were ever invented was to cause harm to other people...
Even granting this as true, today in the US the volume of their use to harm others is literally dwarfed by the volume of their use for non-harmful purposes. (One only needs to compare the numbers here and here to see as much.) It's pure head-in-the-sand willful ignorance to suggest that contemporary US gun ownership and routine usage by and large has anything to do with harming, let alone murdering, anybody.

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Old 11.09.2014, 15:54
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And we know this exactly how?


Even granting this as true, today in the US the volume of their use to harm others is literally dwarfed by the volume of their use for non-harmful purposes. (One only needs to compare the numbers here and here to see as much.) It's pure head-in-the-sand willful ignorance to suggest that contemporary US gun ownership and routine usage has anything to do with harming, let alone murdering, anybody.
I think if you did a survey of Americans owning guns the main reason they have them is to defend themselves, i.e. shoot at someone. I know that my cousin kept a gun in the glove compartment of his car (we found it by accident when they loaned the car to us for a few days - boy was that a surprise) and he also kept a rifle in his jewellery store for protection.

And seen recently on "Border Security: Canada" a family with young children took a wrong turn to the nearby park and ended up at the Canadian border crossing point. They were packing 3 loaded pistols! Why do you need pistols to go to the park for heaven's sake!

It's not the guns themselves that worry me as much as the Americans' attitudes towards them.
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It means in Japan, you don't need a gun to protect yourself.
You don't need a gun to protect yourself in the U.S. either.

How do you protect yourself here?
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Old 11.09.2014, 16:06
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Why do you need pistols to go to the park for heaven's sake!
This time of year, the reason would be spelt BEARS.

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Old 11.09.2014, 16:08
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This time of year, the reason would be spelt BEARS.

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Are they like Gummi-bears (but made from Spelt flour)?
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Old 11.09.2014, 16:14
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

Not familiar with the story, so what kind of park.

If it is the kind with slides swings and snotty nosed teenagers skateboarding, then no, you don't need a gun.

If it's a Provincial Park in the BC interior, yes, a gun is very useful if you working in an area with bears.
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Old 11.09.2014, 16:21
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This time of year, the reason would be spelt BEARS.

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The question was "Why do you need pistols to go to the park for heaven's sake!"

Which pistol will stop a bear?

Pistols are notoriously in accurate and have a poor stopping ability. It might be capable of taking down a 60kg drug addict at 50m but I wouldn't be betting my life on it doing the same to a hungry bear weighing 3 or 4 times that.
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Not familiar with the story, so what kind of park.

If it is the kind with slides swings and snotty nosed teenagers skateboarding, then no, you don't need a gun.

If it's a Provincial Park in the BC interior, yes, a gun is very useful if you working in an area with bears.
I assume a simple playground type, the program didn't actually say. This was on the US side of the Canada crossing point.
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Which pistol will stop a bear?
A neighbor in Vermont used to carry a holstered .357 Magnum when he's go berry picking with his wife, just in case they ran into a mother and cubs (black bears aren't usually aggressive, but if the kiddies are around it's another story).

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Old 11.09.2014, 16:41
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You don't need a gun to protect yourself in the U.S. either.

How do you protect yourself here?
The best way to protect oneself is to stay out of trouble. True, a gun is not needed. It's optional.
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The question was "Why do you need pistols to go to the park for heaven's sake!"

Which pistol will stop a bear?

Pistols are notoriously in accurate and have a poor stopping ability. It might be capable of taking down a 60kg drug addict at 50m but I wouldn't be betting my life on it doing the same to a hungry bear weighing 3 or 4 times that.

still better at stopping a bear then my right nike shoe
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And we know this exactly how?
Because of archeology.
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I think if you did a survey of Americans owning guns the main reason they have them is to defend themselves, i.e. shoot at someone...
While it's true that many Americans store one or more firearms for defensive purposes (i.e., to shoot at would-be attackers in order to deliberately harm them), I'm referring to routine usage, not mere storage. The US folks who own and regularly use their firearms do so for recreational sporting purposes (i.e., shooting at targets, not people), and their firearm usage vastly outnumbers that of those who routinely use firearms to harm others (as indicated, like I said, by an objective comparison of the numbers indicated here and here).

No doubt there's plenty of overlap folks involved in sport shooting are naturally (and better) prepared for using their firearms for self-defense as well, but their primary routine usage has nothing to do with an intent to harm anyone. BTW, this applies all the more in Switzerland, where sport shooting is at least as popular as in the US, and exceeds harmful firearms use by an even greater margin.
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...Pistols are notoriously in accurate and have a poor stopping ability...
That depends very much not only on the pistol itself, but all the more on the operator.
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That depends very much not only on the pistol itself, but all the more on the operator.

average joe on the street isn't going to hit a thing with a pistol at 25m

(when I say a thing, I mean whatever he was trying to hit)
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