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Old 25.11.2014, 13:24
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Twelve year old children seldom wave replica guns at people in the park.

well they only do it once
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:25
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Re: If an armed police officer tells you to do something...

If my husband's contract is not extended next year, can I seek permanent asylum here in Switzerland for international protection from having to return to my former homeland of the US of A for fear of personal and mass violence?
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:30
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Re: If an armed police officer tells you to do something...

The officer has to be in fear of his life, right?

So you have to deem a 12 year old (small child of unknown age for the responsive officer) a threat, with a real gun, and a bloody good shot.

These US officers are seemingly easily scared.

Supplement that with the numerous videos surfacing of police in the US just being damn right abusive, aggressive and threatening to the public they "protect and serve", even in trivial matters, it's safe to say the system is seriously screwed up.
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:30
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Re: If an armed police officer tells you to do something...

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... it's a good idea to do what he tells you.

yes, but if a perpetrator has his hand hands up...
...it's a good idea not to shoot him.
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:33
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Re: If an armed police officer tells you to do something...

the police have to make split second decisions, a kid in a park has a gun (ok a replica but how did he know that) and is pointing it around, now if it was real and he shot some other kids how would the copper live with himself, mass playground / school yard shooting are not exactly unknown in the US.

very silly of the parents allowing the kid to have a replica in this day and age
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:34
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yes, but if a perpetrator has his hand hands up...
...it's a good idea not to shoot him.

that's disputed, what if he has his hands up and still charges at you?
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:35
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This is because "they" put testosterone in the water in the US.

(TRUE FACT)
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:36
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Re: If an armed police officer tells you to do something...

Maybe it would be better if the police in the US were not issued with guns?
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:46
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

Not again...., why not just leave threads alone?
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Old 25.11.2014, 13:49
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Re: If an armed police officer tells you to do something...

In the case of the 12-year-old boy, the way the story is written portrays the rookie cop as insufficiently trained to handle the situation, he reacted heavy-handedly (for a cop I mean, my expectations of cops and military are that they are more in control of knee-jerk reactions than the rest of us!) All it says is that the kid pulled out the gun, and did NOT threaten anyone. He's a kid, maybe he thought the best thing to do was to take out his gun and put it on the floor? Of course I am only going off what I read on there!

I havent formed my opinion of the other story yet i need to read it again when I have some quiet (kids are home right now!)

Last time I was given orders by armed police I did what I was told (which was to put my phone away and not take photos of the Nicosia border! )
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Old 25.11.2014, 14:14
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Re: If an armed police officer tells you to do something...

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Twelve year old children seldom wave replica guns at people in the park.
I couldn't comment. I don't have statistics for that.
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Old 25.11.2014, 14:25
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Are common sense and the survival instinct unique to privileged white middle class people?
In a society where the white middle class seemingly have a monopoly on deciding what common sense is and what it isn't, yes.
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Old 25.11.2014, 14:27
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Are common sense and the survival instinct unique to privileged white middle class people?
Definitely not. However, I have a feeling if you wanted to discuss this topic on ebonicsforum.ghetto.com you would have a much different response than here on crackerforum.ch
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Old 25.11.2014, 14:28
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yes, but if a perpetrator has his hand hands up...
...it's a good idea not to shoot him.
Under the Geneva Convention it is a war crime to not accept a surrender.

So if this version of events is correct, it is legal to shoot somebody in a situation in peacetime that would count as a war crime in wartime.
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Old 25.11.2014, 14:30
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Under the Geneva convention it is a war crime to not accept a surrender.

So if this version of events is correct, it is legal to shoot somebody in a situation in peacetime that would count as a war crime in wartime.
I guess the difference is that in wartime, you are generally fighting under orders and not because you have psychotic or criminal tendencies.
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In a society where the white middle class seemingly have a monopoly on deciding what common sense is and what it isn't, yes.

I'd have thought that not pissing off a representative of the authorities wielding a firearm would be something of a universal example of common sense, regardless of class or race.
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I'd have thought the notion of not pissing off a representative of the authorities wielding a firearm would be something of a universal example of common sense, regardless of class or race.
Unless you are twelve years old?

(P.S. here's a hint as you don't seem to get that children act differently: children generally don't get treated the same as adults in the courts)
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Old 25.11.2014, 14:36
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Twelve year old children seldom wave replica guns at people in the park.
Well despite a ban in my household on toy guns as a child, courtesy of mums rules, I certainly saw plenty of kids with them.

Though, the threat of them being real was effectively nil.

I imagine many kids to play outside with toys though.








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Unless you are twelve years old?

(P.S. here's a hint as you don't seem to get that children act differently: children generally don't get treated the same as adults in the courts)
Even a twelve year old is capable of understanding that pissing off someone with a gun is probably a really bad idea.
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Well despite a ban in my household on toy guns as a child, courtesy of mums rules, I certainly saw plenty of kids with them.

Though, the threat of them being real was effectively nil.

I imagine many kids to play outside with toys though.









Yeah, but Surrey and Cleveland are two completely different propositions.


If you lived in a town where coppers were armed and a bit pissy, would you let your almost-teenage child play with a replica gun in the park?
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