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Jerry Brown is apparently getting to the root of the problem. This will make a big difference.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ca...ce=twitterfeed
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but assuming you're serious...

What, exactly, is the "root of the problem" and how does this law address it?

Last I checked, there've only been a handful (I can only recall one or two) criminals who've used home-built firearms in the commission of their crimes. Compared to the number of crimes committed with commercially-made firearms acquired through various illegal means (e.g. theft, straw purchasing, etc.), the number committed using home-built firearms are essentially a rounding error. Hardly the "root of the problem".

Either way, criminals with the capability and desire to make their own firearms will continue to do so regardless of the law. It's already illegal for criminals to possess firearms of any sort and they clearly have no problem with violating those laws, so why would they comply with an additional law that makes something that's already illegal slightly more illegal?

Additionally, there's a lot of ordinary, otherwise-non-criminal people who like the idea of possessing firearms that the government has no record of, whether for privacy reasons, civil disobedience of laws they believe to be unjust, etc. Since they can make them without the government knowing and are extremely unlikely to be discovered unless they commit some other crime and thus attract police attention, there's basically no risk in not complying with the law.

There's already been mass civil disobedience of laws mandating registration of certain guns in New York, Connecticut, etc. with about 90% of the affected guns not being registered as required by those laws. Why would anyone expect anything different among the population of people who are able to make their own?

In short, this law doesn't do much of anything. It addresses a "problem" that's basically a total non-issue. For criminals, it makes something that's already illegal slightly more illegal, and so has essentially no effect. It relies on the obedience and willingness to register guns of otherwise-non-criminal gun owners who are already among the most likely to engage in passive civil disobedience.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but assuming you're serious...
Perhaps I should begin using smilies.

This won't make any difference, whatsoever.

Though not exactly trivial to make a firearm it is quite possible with a mill and a lathe. I would wager you could make one on a Bridgeport. You don't even need a dividing head.
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Perhaps I should begin using smilies.

This won't make any difference, whatsoever.

Though not exactly trivial to make a firearm it is quite possible with a mill and a lathe. I would wager you could make one on a Bridgeport. You don't even need a dividing head.
Indeed. Smiles would make it a bit more clear.

Poe's law makes it difficult to tell sometimes.

Certain guns are remarkably easy to hand-make with basic tools. AK variants can be (and are, particularly in certain regions of the world like rural Pakistan) easily made by hand with no machine tools. One can easily make an aluminum AR lower receiver using nothing more than an unregulated 80% lower and a drill press. You can also do it with a Dremel and hand tools, but the polymer lowers make it a bit easier to do in this way.
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Re: THE US Gun Control & Second Amendment Thread

Interesting Guardian article, they estimate about half of the 265mln firearms are owned by just 3% of the population.

Often, about 20% of the customers own 80% of the products. Seems to be the case here as well.
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Unpublished survey......

That says it all

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Interesting Guardian article, they estimate about half of the 265mln firearms are owned by just 3% of the population.

Often, about 20% of the customers own 80% of the products. Seems to be the case here as well.
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Indeed. Smiles would make it a bit more clear.

Poe's law makes it difficult to tell sometimes.

Certain guns are remarkably easy to hand-make with basic tools. AK variants can be (and are, particularly in certain regions of the world like rural Pakistan) easily made by hand with no machine tools. One can easily make an aluminum AR lower receiver using nothing more than an unregulated 80% lower and a drill press. You can also do it with a Dremel and hand tools, but the polymer lowers make it a bit easier to do in this way.
I've made a number of 80% lowers and doing it by hand is not as easy as you attempt to make it. You can not make it with a dremel tool - this maybe used to just finish the edges.

How many 80% lowers have you made this way?
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I think this argument is completely ignorant.

It's trivial to undo the switch from fully- to semi-automatic with the StGW 57 (literally a matter of flipping a plaque), and near-trivial for the StGW 90.

There's zero need to buy fully-automatic rifles on the black market when it's very easy to buy a semi-automatic ex-army rifle. Which you can buy very cheaply, relatively speaking, especially considering their extreme precision.
How many times would you use full auto in combat with your primary weapon? I have never used full auto in combat and it's a total waste.
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How many times would you use full auto in combat with your primary weapon? I have never used full auto in combat and it's a total waste.
Absolutely agree.Waste of ammo and the assault rifle will tend to
kick further upwards with each automatically fired shot.
Normally you aim a bit low and fire 2 shots.
Different if you have a Bren with a tripod.Have seen a Bren chop down
a thickish tree. Doesn't help to hide behind these trees.
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Unpublished survey......

That says it all
"The Trace and The Guardian were provided a summary of the survey’s findings. The survey does not draw conclusions about how changes in gun ownership could affect public health, though it will significantly inform subsequent examinations, the researchers say.


It was conducted using the GfK Knowledge Panel, a nationally representative online panel used by researchers and marketing companies to poll Americans on a variety of issues. It is undergoing peer-review, and a summary will be published by the Russell Sage Foundation next year."
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