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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?


It's not people that kill people, it's guns that kill people.

I'm waiting for the first American on here to say that she should have had her own gun so she could have defended herself.
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It's not people that kill people, it's guns that kill people.

I'm waiting for the first American on here to say that she should have had her own gun so she could have defended herself.
She should have had her own gun so she could have defended herself.

The gun was just the tool. It was the mentality of three asshats that decided to pull the trigger. Like most asshats, they're probably cowards, and if they thought she could shoot back, I doubt this would've happened.
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She should have had her own gun so she could have defended herself.

The gun was just the tool. It was the mentality of three asshats that decided to pull the trigger. Like most asshats, they're probably cowards, and if they thought she could shoot back, I doubt this would've happened.
and if the three "asshats" never had easy access to guns she most probably would not have been shot.
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and if the three "asshats" never had easy access to guns she most probably would not have been shot.

As long as guns exist in the world, people can gain access to them. The laws just vary the degree of access, but the law in this case denied minors the ability to purchase a gun, yet they still got access to them. But as I've always said, the gun did not spontaneously load itself, nor did it spontaneously point at someone, chamber a round, and discharge. Someone pulled the trigger, and, until we address the underlying premise of resolving these types of situations with violence, removing guns just changes the tool, maybe for the better, maybe for worse...
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As long as guns exist in the world, people can gain access to them. The laws just vary the degree of access, but the law in this case denied minors the ability to purchase a gun, yet they still got access to them. But as I've always said, the gun did not spontaneously load itself, nor did it spontaneously point at someone, chamber a round, and discharge. Someone pulled the trigger, and, until we address the underlying premise of resolving these types of situations with violence, removing guns just changes the tool, maybe for the better, maybe for worse...
I don't disagree with you but if there were less guns on the ground the more difficult it would be to get access to them.
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As long as guns exist in the world, people can gain access to them. The laws just vary the degree of access, but the law in this case denied minors the ability to purchase a gun, yet they still got access to them. But as I've always said, the gun did not spontaneously load itself, nor did it spontaneously point at someone, chamber a round, and discharge. Someone pulled the trigger, and, until we address the underlying premise of resolving these types of situations with violence, removing guns just changes the tool, maybe for the better, maybe for worse...
Obviously for the better if they're armed with a knife and fork, or a wooden spoon, or a feather...
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As long as guns exist in the world, people can gain access to them. The laws just vary the degree of access, but the law in this case denied minors the ability to purchase a gun, yet they still got access to them.
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But as I've always said, the gun did not spontaneously load itself, nor did it spontaneously point at someone, chamber a round, and discharge. Someone pulled the trigger, and, until we address the underlying premise of resolving these types of situations with violence, removing guns just changes the tool, maybe for the better, maybe for worse...
Yes, people perform those actions. Trouble is, carrying a gun seems to have a weird effect on losers like the guys in this story. Once weedy-minded people load the guns, it's as if the guns load them back -- with delusions of strength and respect. These are the qualities they lack naturally. Guns give them an easy way of acquiring these things that other people work hard to get.

There's no easy answer, but I'm certain that a solution gets even more elusive if intelligent, educated people give up and say there's nothing much we can do. But I don't mean to attack you. Are you American? There seems to be a strong sentimental thing linked (wrongly in my view) to 'freedom' and national heritage which makes it very difficult to get movement on.

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It's funny though, because I had a discussion with someone recently about the legalisation of drugs. I was slightly provocative, and I suppose used a similar argument to yours here. That there is nothing intrinsically wrong with most recreational drugs; it all depends how they are used and who uses them. And that the well-publicised problems that some people have sort of spoil it for others, who would be better able to use these things constructively.

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Though I suppose guns tend to kill and injure others while drugs tend to kill and injure the users (with a minority of exceptions in both cases).
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As long as guns exist in the world, people can gain access to them. The laws just vary the degree of access, but the law in this case denied minors the ability to purchase a gun, yet they still got access to them. But as I've always said, the gun did not spontaneously load itself, nor did it spontaneously point at someone, chamber a round, and discharge. Someone pulled the trigger, and, until we address the underlying premise of resolving these types of situations with violence, removing guns just changes the tool, maybe for the better, maybe for worse...
most certainly... for the better.
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Right you are!! Just google China Knife attack which happened the same day as this shooting. Reports from China say the injuries were gruesome including cut off fingers and ears. It's not the gun, Not the knife but the freak holding it.
How many kids died in the Chinese incident?

Of course it is still horrific but none of the kids as far as I am aware actually died.
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Old 12.12.2012, 18:25
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

It's shocking that anyone has to carry a gun, as a deterrent, to defend themselves, this should never be the case.
By the rational of carrying a gun to defend oneself, means, everyone must carry a gun.
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Re: What the hell is going on with guns in the US?

An angry, delusional person without a gun is just an angry, delusional person. An angry, delusional person with a gun can become a murderer. The children in CT and Kayla didn't die because a guy was pissed-off or mentally ill. They died because they were pissed off or mentally ill AND had a gun.

I really hope Obama's statement about taking action no matter the politics is true.
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An angry, delusional person without a gun is just an angry, delusional person. An angry, delusional person with a gun can become a murderer. The children in CT and Kayla didn't die because a guy was pissed-off or mentally ill. They died because they were pissed off or mentally ill AND had a gun.
While essentially true (and I'm no gun advocate), someone who wants to do harm to a large number of other people can do so with only a little bit of basic chemistry and a few ingredients you can find at grocery stores and lawn centers. Just imagine the carnage if he had a few homemade claymore-style pipe bombs where the kids would be full of holes, shrapnel, and die in agony. I'm not sure why guns are the method of choice for these psychos of late as there are other ways to take out more people, more horrifically, more painfully and more efficiently than a rifle.

Guns are merely the way we finally take notice of a mentally ill person who has been ignored for too long. Society has become so....isolating that it breeds this sort of contempt for people. What if the guy had used claymores instead? Would we be talking about controlling pipes and nails to shifty looking white guys? No. At least I hope not.
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She should have had her own gun so she could have defended herself.

The gun was just the tool. It was the mentality of three asshats that decided to pull the trigger. Like most asshats, they're probably cowards, and if they thought she could shoot back, I doubt this would've happened.
But, the most likely scenario would be that there are 2 or more dead bodies. How is that going to help the situation?
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It's not people that kill people, it's guns that kill people.

I'm waiting for the first American on here to say that she should have had her own gun so she could have defended herself.
Nope, sorry. It's people who kill people. If no one ever picked up a gun, it would lie there being a useless piece of junk that couldn't hurt/maim/kill anyone. If guns had never been invented, the killings would still happen.

I don't like guns and I think America is absolutely crazy for letting it get this far without better controls. But it's people who do these things; what they do them with, be it guns, knives, poison, etc, is just the tool they use to do it.
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Nope, sorry. It's people who kill people. If no one ever picked up a gun, it would lie there being a useless piece of junk that couldn't hurt/maim/kill anyone. If guns had never been invented, the killings would still happen.

I don't like guns and I think America is absolutely crazy for letting it get this far without better controls. But it's people who do these things; what they do them with, be it guns, knives, poison, etc, is just the tool they use to do it.
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Nope, sorry. It's people who kill people. If no one ever picked up a gun, it would lie there being a useless piece of junk that couldn't hurt/maim/kill anyone. If guns had never been invented, the killings would still happen.

I don't like guns and I think America is absolutely crazy for letting it get this far without better controls. But it's people who do these things; what they do them with, be it guns, knives, poison, etc, is just the tool they use to do it.
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Really? I'm glad we think the same which I found on page 32. and even got some bashing for harmless pencils
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Really? I'm glad we think the same which I found on page 32.
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Really? I'm glad we think the same which I found on page 32. and even got some bashing for harmless pencils
Pencils? Harmless? I once stabbed a sharp pencil in my palm by mistake in elementary school and I still can see the graphic it left behind. And a pencil in the eye could be lethal. Our world is full of dangerous things. It's a wonder we haven't killed ourselves off years ago.

And I'm glad to see we're on the same page in thought - even if our comments are not.
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It's not people that kill people, it's guns that kill people.

I'm waiting for the first American on here to say that she should have had her own gun so she could have defended herself.
Ever heard of the "Wild West"? In reality it was not so wild. Why? Because the bad guys were reluctant to screw people as anyone could be packing a gun. So in areas of America where crime rates are high I would advice people to buy a gun and get training at a gun club.

How long does it take Police to respond in areas of America with high crime rates? I dont know but I would say long enough that by the time they arrive whatever happened is over.

Armies should be kept within the borders and likewise guns should be kept inside the house. Defence only. Therefore when outside the home stick to safe routes and places and perhaps consider using pepper spray and keep the guns at home.

Perhaps I am biased as I went to a military school but it seems logical to me.
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