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Old 22.12.2012, 21:50
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Re: Look too hot? YOU'RE FIRED!

But of course, she made him flirt.
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Old 22.12.2012, 21:54
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Re: Look too hot? YOU'RE FIRED!

Real career scorers are attractive people unless you are proverbial blonde: http://www.economist.com/node/21551535
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Old 22.12.2012, 21:55
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But of course, she made him flirt.
No, but the court case isn't about whether he is a nice man or a good boss or a faithful husband....she took him to court under the law about gender discrimination, and all the court said was that he hadn't fired her just for being a woman.

I think its very unfair by the way, but not sure that its against any law
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:04
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Re: Look too hot? YOU'RE FIRED!

Nevertheless being a woman was the sine qua none condition in the first place.
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:05
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Re: Look too hot? YOU'RE FIRED!

Can a man be fired for being too hot?
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:08
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Re: Look too hot? YOU'RE FIRED!

The company I work for once (before my time) had a very attractive secretary.
She was so attractive and a bit on the flirty side, that customers who would otherwise send letters or small parcels would make up all sorts of excuses to show-up in person and have a little chat. The place thus got really busy at times...
AFAIK, she was encouraged to look elsewhere for a job and they hired a guy for the position.
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:12
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Nevertheless being a woman was the sine qua none condition in the first place.
Not sure that is relevant though (although I'll bow to your expertise )

If a small company owner fired a female employee (just as a legal example) who suffered from terrible period pains and was absent from work for 10 days a month - then I don't think that would be classed as gender discrimination as her absence is unacceptably high and he couldn't operate indefinitely like that so he had the right to fire her. Her femaleness (sic) is still the sine qua non condition (she wouldn't have had period pains without being a woman), but isn't the reason he fired her.

It WOULD be gender discrimination if he employed men who also were absent for 10 days a month and didn't fire them.

But happy to be out-argued if I'm wrong
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:13
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The company I work for once (before my time) had a very attractive secretary.
She was so attractive and a bit on the flirty side, that customers who would otherwise send letters or small parcels would make up all sorts of excuses to show-up in person and have a little chat. The place thus got really busy at times...
AFAIK, she was encouraged to look elsewhere for a job and they hired a guy for the position.
There is another funny read about woman who was fired in NY for looking too hot:

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ork&id=8670917

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1082045
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:20
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Re: Look too hot? YOU'RE FIRED!

She took him to court for gender discrimination.
But it was gender disc. as had she been a man he wouldn't have fired her right ?
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:22
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Re: Look too hot? YOU'RE FIRED!

Every state but Montana is employment-at-will, meaning the absent a contract which states to the contrary, your employer can fire you with good reason, bad reason or no reason at all with no severance or notice; a handful of states have a laws against bad-faith terminations (eg. Delaware), but they are in the minority..

I don't understand the US obsession with letting business treat their workers like crap (except Montana)...

I'd like to see courts have the power to give employers life-long criminal records for bad-faith terminations of employment.

Here in Ontario, our employment laws are similar to Switzerland; you either have to have just cause to terminate (proof of theft or willful serious misconduct) or you have to give so many weeks notice or pay in lieu, the amount of weeks depending on years of service. In Ontario, you can be jailed for employment law violations and about once a year, an employer does go to jail for employment law violations.
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:29
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Iowa may be a backward state, but here in Switzerland anybody can be sacked at will, no justification has to be given. Isn't it even more backward?
No, because they have to give your notice in Switzerland; in Iowa and majority of US states, you can work somewhere for 20 years with no issues and one day the boss is in a pissy mood, you are the first person he sees and decides to fire you; you are entitled to no notice period or pay in lieu of.
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:30
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She took him to court for gender discrimination.
But it was gender disc. as had she been a man he wouldn't have fired her right ?
He fired her because his wife said that if he didn't, she might leave him. His wife said that because he found her attractive. His preference for attractiveness was women.

I think the point of the court was that he fired her because of keeping his marriage, not because of her gender.

I'm surprised that he couldn't be sued under Unfair Dismissal law rather than Gender Discrimination law- as he seemed to have no cause to fire her (other than his missus) - but maybe they don't have that law there
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Old 22.12.2012, 22:34
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Can a man be fired for being too hot?
Hasn't happened to me yet!
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I'm surprised that he couldn't be sued under Unfair Dismissal law rather than Gender Discrimination law- as he seemed to have no cause to fire her (other than his missus) - but maybe they don't have that law there
No such unfair dismissal law in Iowa, no max number of hours an employer can ask you to work either...

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...EQXtUpx5jNIMyA
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Old 22.12.2012, 23:20
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As often in these cases, lazy reporting and ignorance of legal procedures gives misleading headlines and conclusions.

They worked together for ten years, worked late together in the office, texted each other about their personal lives, including mild flirtation. The man's wife was suspicious and uncomfortable.

The legal case to answer was whether he had fired her for being a woman and - based on legal precedent, they said



She was fired because of the nature of their relationship and the threat it posed to the family over many years, not because she was a woman, and not because she was too sexy.

Not saying that I agree or disagree, but it's more complex than reported in my opinion
About "the nature of their relationship and the threat it posed to the family over many years"

That story does not make any sense; they worked together for many years & apparently nothing "intimate" happened - then he decided to up & fire her?

This is a farce??

Can anyone answer the question "how does she become less of a threat posed to the family after she is fired"?

An alternative view is that after she loses a steady income she may become more interested in a man who is well paid?
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Old 22.12.2012, 23:23
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The company I work for once (before my time) had a very attractive secretary.
She was so attractive and a bit on the flirty side, that customers who would otherwise send letters or small parcels would make up all sorts of excuses to show-up in person and have a little chat. The place thus got really busy at times...
AFAIK, she was encouraged to look elsewhere for a job and they hired a guy for the position.
& after that personnel change did business improve or decine?
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& after that personnel change did business improve or decine?
We don't sell physical goods.
The secretary was supposed to work (writing-up bills, looking into why someone didn't pay, preparing the salary payments etc.), not chat-up customers and draw a smile on their faces the same way a hooters-waitress is doing.
The replacement guy did a stellar job, for several years, with no complaints whatsoever. A figure-head of Swissness, if you want.
He then did a sabbatical, traveled the world.
I just met him on Friday, were he jokingly said he now works more for less money - at a (very well known) electronic retailer...
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Iowa may be a backward state, but here in Switzerland anybody can be sacked at will, no justification has to be given. Isn't it even more backward?
No. (message is too short)
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I'm surprised that he couldn't be sued under Unfair Dismissal law rather than Gender Discrimination law- as he seemed to have no cause to fire her (other than his missus) - but maybe they don't have that law there
Unfair Dismissal law.. does that really exist ?

Unfair perhaps in terms of justice, but fair in the eyes of society.
Tis the ways of the world.
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Unfair Dismissal law.. does that really exist ?

Unfair perhaps in terms of justice, but fair in the eyes of society.
Tis the ways of the world.
It certainly does in the UK, but I think its not EU wide - Employment Rights Act 1996

I have no idea about the US though
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