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No, I would want to live no matter what 27 42.86%
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Old 20.01.2013, 00:22
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Re: Would you choose euthanasia over deaf & blindness?

Read article few days ago and chose not to post because it's too depressing.
As for the question itself, I cannot tell what would I do under personal circumstances as it is difficult to relate. Only one who is affected by such, can only relate to gravity of the situation.
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Close enough, she was an infant. Totally different than an educated adult.

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Wouldn't someone who becomes blind.or loses the ability to hear later in life, actually have a stronger base of knowledge and skills than someone who was born blind/deaf?

The difference that I see is that people who are born blind/deaf perhaps are more able to adapt without falling into a state of depression that may affect others who are able to make a contrast. In that case, shouldn't society be looking at how to prevent/cure the feelings of depression and hopelesness that leads to feelings of suicide or having someone else help to kill them, rather than enabling the deaths?
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then again, she was in her mid 90's, not 40's. I am not sure that any civilized society should be in the business of euthanizing relatively young people who are perfectly healthy other than a sensory handicap.
I am old, so I rather hope that no country is in the business of euthanizing old people. I don't want pressure put on me to drop dead at any stage whether I am perfectly healthy or not.
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Old 20.01.2013, 01:07
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...shouldn't society be looking at how to prevent/cure the feelings of depression and hopelesness..........?
I'm pretty sure that society is already on to that one.
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Old 20.01.2013, 01:18
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Re: Would you choose euthanasia over deaf & blindness?

"would you be happier if you won the lottery or if you became paraplegic?" - the answer to this one may surprise you:


The fantastic study (and TED lecture in the above link) on the science of happiness may change your perspective; indeed it is not too hard to imagine that it is possible to have very fulfilling life even if you are deaf & blind. Both children and adults CAN have fulfilling (happy) life, even if faced with very serious physical disabilities.

Hence - NO, I would not choose euthanasia in such circumstances.
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Old 20.01.2013, 01:25
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"would you be happier if you won the lottery or if you became paraplegic?" - the answer to this one may ...

The fantastic study (and TED lecture in the above link) on the science of happiness may change your perspective; indeed it is not too hard to imagine that it is possible to have very fulfilling life even if you are deaf & blind. Both children and adults CAN have fulfilling (happy) life, even if faced with very serious physical disabilities.

Hence - NO, I would not choose euthanasia in such circumstances.
Absolutely, there is more to life than agonizing your own misery. Every time I watch this video it not only reminds me how lucky I am but also that it is just state of mind we chose to either be happy or miserable, even under most aggravating circumstances.

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Old 20.01.2013, 02:11
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Read article few days ago and chose not to post because it's too depressing.
As for the question itself, I cannot tell what would I do under personal circumstances as it is difficult to relate. Only one who is affected by such, can only relate to gravity of the situation.
the REAL problem is that when it happens you no longer are in a position to do very much. When Mum, out of dementia, got into such a position, I signed about three documents, making it clear, that no exaggerated measures would be taken to keep her alive and so she could pass away peacefully. Just three weeks before, I had intensive discussions with her about this all, but a few days later, a nurse told me that Mum no longer realized the presence of whomever. I myself may become 100 or 100-plus, but the end may as well be around the corner. So that I intend to do a testament with fairly detailed instructions. You have to do such things when you are fully around ..... later on it may be too late
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Old 20.01.2013, 09:13
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Re: Would you choose euthanasia over deaf & blindness?

The problem with living wills is that if I'm gaga, I might actually be quite happy, and if at the time of the will I'd known I would feel that way, I might not have asked for no treatment etc.

As far as physical problems go - ask me when I get there. For mental deterioration, when I get there, ask those I trust and rely on to make the decision on my behalf. Of course, if you can't trust those who love you (or you haven't got any), then maybe a living will is a good idea.
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Old 20.01.2013, 09:30
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Re: Would you choose euthanasia over deaf & blindness?

I wouldn't do it. I can still get hugs and kisses, exercise, have sex (that's a very redeeming feature here) and enjoy my favorite foods. Depending on how much time I have before going blind, I could learn to read braille. I still see myself having a wonderful life - just not the life I expected. Seriously there are so many people who have it far, far worse than this.

But I do understand it's a sensitive topic and nobody should be forced to live a life of misery if that's what it would be from deafness and blindness.
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And i didn't answer the question. I don't know what I'd choose. I could only make a choice once i knew my own situation.
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I wouldn't do it. I can still get hugs and kisses, exercise, have sex (that's a very redeeming feature here) and enjoy my favorite foods. Depending on how much time I have before going blind, I could learn to read braille. I still see myself having a wonderful life - just not the life I expected. Seriously there are so many people who have it far, far worse than this.

But I do understand it's a sensitive topic and nobody should be forced to live a life of misery if that's what it would be from deafness and blindness.
??? I find it ironic that people who haven't suffered think they would be so wonderfully resilient.
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Old 20.01.2013, 10:48
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??? I find it ironic that people who haven't suffered think they would be so wonderfully resilient.
You're inferring that I don't think I'd suffer. Not at all. Just saying that there is still much joy to be had in life. Certainly enough so to continue living.
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Old 20.01.2013, 12:12
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Re: Would you choose euthanasia over deaf & blindness?

I think it would also depend on the person's situation in life and how much help and support they can receive.

For example, if I were poor and didn't have much (or any) family to help, then I suppose I'd probably be more depressed and it would be easier to take my own life. I think it would be very difficult if I couldn't afford decent care or have a family to help, etc.

Again, I think it should be entirely up to the individual. But I do think there should be a bit of a waiting period. I don't think someone's suicide should be assisted immediately after they make that decision, because they could later change their mind. So if their desire remains consistent after a few months or so, then who am I to say whether or not that person should continue to suffer?
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You're inferring that I don't think I'd suffer. Not at all. Just saying that there is still much joy to be had in life. Certainly enough so to continue living.
Easy to say when you aren't deaf and blind I guess.
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The fantastic study (and TED lecture in the above link) on the science of happiness may change your perspective; indeed it is not too hard to imagine that it is possible to have very fulfilling life even if you are deaf & blind. Both children and adults CAN have fulfilling (happy) life, even if faced with very serious physical disabilities.

Hence - NO, I would not choose euthanasia in such circumstances.
I'm actually familiar with some of this work. However, you always have to keep in mind that people who perceive they will have some autonomy and some choice will likely opt for living, while those who feel they have no autonomy, little choice will likely opt not to live. And it's the individual perception that matters - not what anyone tells you that you have. So maybe more of this information needs to be spread around....
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Re: Would you choose euthanasia over deaf & blindness?

This photo says it all ...
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This photo says it all ...
That's a nice quote (and quite true). However, I don't think that someone allowing a loved one to end their suffering is, in any way, also suggesting that their loved one's life is of no value.

I think it's quite cruel for anyone to prefer that their loved one continues to suffer simply because they themselves are too selfish to let them go.
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I think it's quite cruel for anyone to prefer that their loved one continues to suffer simply because they themselves are too selfish to let them go.
I agree. It is cruel.

If people were good and lovely and never selfish, then this wouldn't be a problem. If people were good and lovely and never selfish, then bringing pressure on someone to "go" wouldn't be a problem either.

Sadly, not all people are good and lovely and never selfish.
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You're inferring that I don't think I'd suffer. Not at all. Just saying that there is still much joy to be had in life. Certainly enough so to continue living.
No I'm inferring that people that have yet to suffer greatly have no clue what it's like or how they would react.

Some people can acknowledge that, others pretend to have some magical insight and judge others.
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No I'm inferring that people that have yet to suffer greatly have no clue what it's like or how they would react.

Some people can acknowledge that, others pretend to have some magical insight and judge others.
Sure. But then again, we might as well both ignore this thread as it's all hypothetical.
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