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Maybe, it was number 2.
I don't believe this %hi! man!

I think sometimes the obvious sequence of events is the closest one to the truth. "He wakes up she's on the iPad talking to someone he goes off on one, she runs to the bathroom he shoots her down in a rage and regrets it later!". Motive is jealousy coupled with the fact he might have taken steroids. Not sure if this makes it premeditated murder but a passion killing but he will still be sent down for years.
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Old 19.02.2013, 16:49
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Re: Oscar Pistorius arrested

Apparently he had been drinking all day, first officer on the scene said he was legless.
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Old 19.02.2013, 16:52
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Then he had to break down the door to get into her...... who locks a bathroom, (let alone closes the door) at their lovers house, at 3am when they pee?
This made me laugh. I might not lock the door but for sure I close it!

Maybe she heard a noise too and locked herself in the bathroom while he was on the balcony?

Edit to respond to Connor's post above (he is too fast!): So did he carry her downstairs before or after the cops were there?
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Re: Oscar Pistorius arrested

It wasn't Pistorius...They found footprints outside the bathroom window...
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Why do you hope he's innocent?? The innocent person in this tragedy is DEAD!



Edit: He might still be innocent in which case he's really ought to consider what the hell he's doing with so many weapons in his apartment as killing your girlfriend after mistaking her for an intruder is really ridiculous if it's true!
But it can be true (however, with more information we get the less possible it seems). By hoping he's innocent I meant that it might be an accident. Tragic but still accident, they happen. And possession of any number of weapons does not necessary lead to kill anybody on purpose.
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Old 19.02.2013, 17:35
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Re: Oscar Pistorius arrested

..."the Paralympic and Olympic star said the two were in bed asleep on Wednesday night when he got up and went to the balcony to close a sliding door and get a fan. He heard a noise in the bathroom and assumed it was an intruder, he said. Feeling vulnerable without his prosthetic legs, he got his gun and shot through the door, he said. He then saw that Steenkamp was not in bed, he said. He broke the bathroom door down with a cricket bat.."

I don't understand how could he go to get his gun (which, as reported early, he kept next to his bed) and didn't notice his girlfriend wasn't in the bed. I mean, how big was that bed that he couldn't notice that her side was empty?
It's said that it was pitch dark, but not dark enough for him being able to get his gun, walk towards the toilet, check the door was looked and shoot four times..

Very suspicious indeed. What a tragic end for that young girl.
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..."the Paralympic and Olympic star said the two were in bed asleep on Wednesday night when he got up and went to the balcony to close a sliding door and get a fan. He heard a noise in the bathroom and assumed it was an intruder, he said. Feeling vulnerable without his prosthetic legs, he got his gun and shot through the door, he said. He then saw that Steenkamp was not in bed, he said. He broke the bathroom door down with a cricket bat.."

I don't understand how could he go to get his gun (which, as reported early, he kept next to his bed) and didn't notice his girlfriend wasn't in the bed. I mean, how big was that bed that he couldn't notice that her side was empty?
It's said that it was pitch dark, but not dark enough for him being able to get his gun, walk towards the toilet, check the door was looked and shoot four times..

Very suspicious indeed. What a tragic end for that young girl.
So he rolled out of bed, bummed his way to the balcony (which begs the question, how low are the handles on his doors?), bummed his way back to get his gun, bummed his way to the toilet................................ye ok then Oscar, see you in 25 years
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Old 19.02.2013, 17:54
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..."the Paralympic and Olympic star said the two were in bed asleep on Wednesday night when he got up and went to the balcony to close a sliding door and get a fan. He heard a noise in the bathroom and assumed it was an intruder, he said. Feeling vulnerable without his prosthetic legs, he got his gun and shot through the door, he said. He then saw that Steenkamp was not in bed, he said. He broke the bathroom door down with a cricket bat.."

I don't understand how could he go to get his gun (which, as reported early, he kept next to his bed) and didn't notice his girlfriend wasn't in the bed. I mean, how big was that bed that he couldn't notice that her side was empty?
It's said that it was pitch dark, but not dark enough for him being able to get his gun, walk towards the toilet, check the door was looked and shoot four times..

Very suspicious indeed. What a tragic end for that young girl.
[sarcasm font] On the other hand, it was otherwise very thoughtful of the intruder to go to the bathroom to wash his hands before stealing something..... hygiene and all that. [/sarcasm font]
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Old 20.02.2013, 13:40
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Re: Oscar Pistorius arrested

neighbor's claim non-stop argument before the shooting as well as needles and testosterone found in his rooms (loads of the stuff...) Tragic, in so many ways...BTW, the defense claim it was an herbal remedy

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When first we practise to deceive!
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what else will they come up with? this ties in with the "greatest athlete" thread and thoughts that everyone dopes, which I suppose must really be true. I do think that all endurance and running athletes most likely do. swimmers too, I guess...oh well...
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Old 20.02.2013, 14:27
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..... what else will they come up with? .....
Apparently, the prosecution are saying he has secret bank accounts abroad and shouldn't be given bail in case he runs off.

Any bank accounts in the name of Pistorius in Zurich?
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Re: Oscar Pistorius arrested

I've been following it a bit on BBC A correspondent was tweeting from the bail proceedings. The 2 stories seems to be

Pistorius says he got up to get a fan from the balcony in total darkness. He heard sounds coming from the bathroom, so he went back to the bed, got the gun from underneath it without apparently saying anything to his girlfriend. The gun was there as he has previously received death threats. He felt vunerable because he didn't have his legs on so he shot through the door. Afterwards he shouted to his girlfriend to call the police. When he didn't here an answer, he feared the worst. The post mortem showed that her bladder was empty which is consistent with someone having just been to the toilet

The prosecution state that Pistorius is notoriously jealous and has in the past threatened male friends of hers. 2 neighbours heard arguments from the house (one of the witnesses lives 300 or 600 metres away though.) Another said he heard shots, went to his balcony saw a light on in Pistorius's, heard screams and then more shots. The girlfriend was dressed (although it was only a vest and shorts). The prosecution also claim that Pistorius had his legs on.

One tweet which confused me was this:

Botha admits he would have locked toilet door too if he in Reeva's position having heard Oscar shouting to call police.

Botha is the lead detective. The way I understood Pistorius's statement was that he shouted that after shooting in which case what one would've done after this, is irrelevant. If he did actually shout to Reeve before shooting then surely one should expect Pistorius to double check where she is before shooting blind into a closed room after not receiving an answer?
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I don't think it takes Columbo to smell a rat when discovering that his brother and lawyer were on the scene when police turned up. This Botha chap does sound like South Africa's finest Inspector Clouseau though.

I can see this panning out like the first OJ trial with an innocent verdict for someone who is surely guilty as hell.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius arrested

I reckon, the course of events was something like this :-
they had the shouting match, (as one witness claims) Pistorious was drunk, and a little irrational and Irate, girlfriend then locks herself in bathroom, which angers Pistorious even more, he tries to get in, and fails, he then grabs the cricket bat and gives the door a few good whacks, and soon finds the solid construction of a good quality door isn't going to yield to the bat that easily; meanwhile Steenkamp standing with her back to the door preventing Pistorious from forcing it open sits down (head near door handle and lock):
Pistorious fetches his 9mm pistol from the bedside and attempts to shoot the lock off the door, not knowing his girlfriend's head/shoulder is perilously close to the lock on the other side.

Boom.
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I reckon, the course of events was something like this :-
they had the shouting match, (as one witness claims) Pistorious was drunk, and a little irrational and Irate, girlfriend then locks herself in bathroom, which angers Pistorious even more, he tries to get in, and fails, he then grabs the cricket bat and gives the door a few good whacks, and soon finds the solid construction of a good quality door isn't going to yield to the bat that easily; meanwhile Steenkamp standing with her back to the door preventing Pistorious from forcing it open sits down (head near door handle and lock):
Pistorious fetches his 9mm pistol from the bedside and attempts to shoot the lock off the door, not knowing his girlfriend's head/shoulder is perilously close to the lock on the other side.

Boom.
Wow! Reasoning, deductions, sounds plausible. You are a criminal defence lawyer, right? Or a prosecutor? Whichever, if you`re not at least a detective, you missed your vocation!
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I reckon, the course of events was something like this :-
they had the shouting match, (as one witness claims) Pistorious was drunk, and a little irrational and Irate, girlfriend then locks herself in bathroom, which angers Pistorious even more, he tries to get in, and fails, he then grabs the cricket bat and gives the door a few good whacks, and soon finds the solid construction of a good quality door isn't going to yield to the bat that easily; meanwhile Steenkamp standing with her back to the door preventing Pistorious from forcing it open sits down (head near door handle and lock):
Pistorious fetches his 9mm pistol from the bedside and attempts to shoot the lock off the door, not knowing his girlfriend's head/shoulder is perilously close to the lock on the other side.

Boom.
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Ah, elementary deduction, my dear Smoky.
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I reckon, the course of events was something like this :-
they had the shouting match, (as one witness claims) Pistorious was drunk, and a little irrational and Irate, girlfriend then locks herself in bathroom, which angers Pistorious even more, he tries to get in, and fails, he then grabs the cricket bat and gives the door a few good whacks, and soon finds the solid construction of a good quality door isn't going to yield to the bat that easily; meanwhile Steenkamp standing with her back to the door preventing Pistorious from forcing it open sits down (head near door handle and lock):
Pistorious fetches his 9mm pistol from the bedside and attempts to shoot the lock off the door, not knowing his girlfriend's head/shoulder is perilously close to the lock on the other side.

Boom.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius arrested

He's not a murderer, but what he is, is an idiot, if he'd actually wanted to kill her he should have done it with a large block of ice by the swimming pool, murder weapon melts away, it looks as if she bashed her head while diving in. That was in Colombo, not sure how he solved that one.
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He's not a murderer, but what he is, is an idiot, if he'd actually wanted to kill her he should have done it with a large block of ice by the swimming pool, murder weapon melts away, it looks as if she bashed her head while diving in. That was in Colombo, not sure how he solved that one.
No no, it was an icicle! You stab the person with a long thin icicle, it melts, no fingerprints, no weapon.

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He's not a murderer, but what he is, is an idiot, if he'd actually wanted to kill her he should have done it with a large block of ice by the swimming pool, murder weapon melts away, it looks as if she bashed her head while diving in. That was in Colombo, not sure how he solved that one.
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