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Re: Israel & US- What to do about Iran Nuke program?

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Okay, for those who think that Iran has no aspirations to attack Israel, or who think that the Media is bias, lets try some facts that we can hopefully all agree on.

1. Iran leader said "I'l like to see zionism wiped off the map (or words that mean basically the same thing).

2. (from wiki) The phrase "Zionist entity" is used by Arab states, and by "politicians and intellectuals throughout the Arab world" Edzard Lutz describes it as "the traditional Arabic political term for Israel",

2. Iran is enriching uranium, and most rational people seem to think that it might possibly be for weapons, and will likely have enough of it to build a bomb by mid 2013, if they so choose.

How come we can't see that there might be a teeny problem here?


they have been saying that the Iranians will have a bomb in a year for 10 years now. so far, no Iranian bomb. How come we can't see that there might be a teeny problem here?
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Re: Israel & US- What to do about Iran Nuke program?

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If you are well aware "of the problems between the IAEA and the Iranian authorities" then why on earth did you write "Their country is entirely open to the inspectors of the IAEA and the inspectors have said as much to the UN."
How do you justify what you wrote is, unfortunately, completely the opposite of the truth?

BTW, the last paragraph is nothing to do with a dodgy computer but a lot to do with facilities like Pachin which seem to be for testing explosive devices related to developing nuclear weapons.
Yeah yeah Iran is not transparent to the IAEA, unlike Israel which has been...oh wait...
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it is the Iranians' right to enrich uranium, you realize that, don't you?
Are you freaking kidding me?

Lets create a hypothetical to put this in perspective.

"I'd like to see Ikea wiped from the face of the planet/erased from history."

I live next door to Ikea.

I start stockpiling matches, oven mitts and 55 gallon drums of gasoline in my kitchen.

What would a rational person assume would happen next?
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Re: Israel & US- What to do about Iran Nuke program?

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Because Israel has never threatened anybody?
I think you are not in this world,whats called Israel committed too many crimes and massacres in Palestine and other Arab countries
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Are you freaking kidding me?

Lets create a hypothetical to put this in perspective.

"I'd like to see Ikea wiped from the face of the planet/erased from history."

I live next door to Ikea.

I start stockpiling matches, oven mitts and 55 gallon drums of gasoline in my kitchen.

What would a rational person assume would happen next?

Gee how big is your kitchen
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Are you freaking kidding me?

Lets create a hypothetical to put this in perspective.

"I'd like to see Ikea wiped from the face of the planet/erased from history."

I live next door to Ikea.

I start stockpiling matches, oven mitts and 55 gallon drums of gasoline in my kitchen.

What would a rational person assume would happen next?
1. Iran has no "matches"
2. Iran is not next door to Israel
3. Israel is not Ikea, more like a biker gang hangout
4. You are not from Israel, so why should you go to war for them
5. I think you are like the Americans that Michael Moore talks about, always scared about something.
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I am sorry to write this but until you can explain "How do you justify what you wrote is, unfortunately, completely the opposite of the truth?" your posts no longer have any credibility.

Yeap the "Truth" like here http://fair.org/media-beat-column/30...d-vietnam-war/

I love the truth
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I think the problem is that many people in the USA react with their emotions about things they hear in the news, instead of with a more rational approach.

they believe what they hear, and they get scared, and so, aggressive.

this is what is happening with Iran. On top of it all, the American press is printing all sorts of stories without checking so people are getting fed inacurrate information.

It's Iraq all over again. It's so sad that human beings never learn.

Watch this video.




It's a Canadian comedian who asks Americans about lots of stuff, including a completely made up attack on Saskatchewan. When asked if they support a fictive atack on Bouchard or Saskatchewan (a part of Canada, but most people who are asked don't know where it is), the Americans support it. Kill! Kill! Kill! That's how they react. it's so sad.

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1. Iran has no "matches"
I guess this is fundamentally where we disagree, isn't it.

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You can certainly think anything that you want about me, but I think that I've demonstrated over and over, in multiple posts and multiple threads, that when I debate a topic, I try to consider statistics and facts in order to come to a conclusion that seems the most logical. I certainly don't mind being proven wrong, but it doesn't seem to me that you've made a valid case here.

Sorry that in this instance the conclusion drawn by a great many people doesn't fit in with your (IMO) naive world view.
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Re: Israel & US- What to do about Iran Nuke program?

I am sorry you have such a paranoid and aggressive response to life and are so suspicious of everyone. It doesn't make the world a better place to live.
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I am sorry you have such a paranoid and aggressive response to life and are so suspicious of everyone. It doesn't make the world a better place to live.
I know that I'll never change your opinion, but could you please give me an example of my paranoid and aggressive response?

I've tried to stick to the facts, not just opinion. Also, in the time I've been on this forum, I've never so much as groaned at a single person. I would certainly not consider myself to be "paranoid and aggressive"
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Re: Israel & US- What to do about Iran Nuke program?

That is a very good question.

I would like to convince you that you are being paranoid, but can I?

Have you watched the video? You should.

I don't know how much you know about geography and/or about Canada, but I can tell you that the people in the video who happen to be Americans, are convinced that the USA should bomb "Bouchard" which doesn't exist. They don't even know what it is, yet, they have an opinion on it, and the opinion is "Bomb".

But bombing kills people. They seem like nice people, but why do they want to kill people who have really not done anything to them (because they don't exist). They don't seem to even consider that.

That is how you come across. Why?

Because there is a lot of doubt on the reasons for your feelings about Iran, and unlike someone in the USA who is on trial, you won't consider that reasonable doubt before you pronounce them guilty, and want to kill them. Because, essentially, that is what you are proposing...
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Re: Israel & US- What to do about Iran Nuke program?

The fact is that only one country has ever used nuclear weapons during wartime (and the justification remains completely questionable as to why it was deemed 'necessary'). Im not saying that Iran should have nuclear weapons, but that the US population (and that of the rest of the world) should be putting pressure on the US to disarm before it says that Iran cant have nukes. However, we Americans love a good war and are always looking for a reason to start one. Besides that, Iran has the third largest oil reserves in the world....
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That is a very good question.

Because there is a lot of doubt on the reasons for your feelings about Iran, and unlike someone in the USA who is on trial, you won't consider that reasonable doubt before you pronounce them guilty, and want to kill them. Because, essentially, that is what you are proposing...
I had 4 or 5 posts in this thread, and just went back and looked at each of them, just to make sure that I hadn't said something that I didn't mean.

Nowhere did I advocate or say that I wanted to kill someone. In fact, I didn't say anything at all about any action that Israel or the US should or would take.
After my initial post, my participation in the discussion can be summed up as follows;

I asked for facts to support opinions, then rebutted those that I felt were misleading or incomplete.

I pointed out when people were contradicting their own statements.

I tried to draw parallels for the sake of clarity, to illustrate these points.

I stated that I think it's naive to believe that Iran might not have the intent to attack Israel in a big way, if and when they gain that capability.

I stand by those statements and opinions.
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Re: Israel & US- What to do about Iran Nuke program?

oh, so you're not advocating attacking Iran pre-emptively?

And, why would Iran try to attack Israel?

Why isn't it Israel that will be attacking Iran?

Israel, after all, has attacked-

Syria
Lebanon
Jordan
Gaza
Egypt

and that's only in the last year or so.

yeah, yeah... because they had to "defend" themselves. the ones with the 200 nuclear bombs. And Iran will seriously think that they can make one single bomb and they will attack someone with 200 nuclear bombs?

how crazy do you think they are?
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The fact is that only one country has ever used nuclear weapons during wartime (and the justification remains completely questionable as to why it was deemed 'necessary'). Im not saying that Iran should have nuclear weapons, but that the US population (and that of the rest of the world) should be putting pressure on the US to disarm before it says that Iran cant have nukes. However, we Americans love a good war and are always looking for a reason to start one. Besides that, Iran has the third largest oil reserves in the world....
About "Besides that, Iran has the third largest oil reserves in the world..."

I do get really bored about these brainless conspiracy theories referencing oil reserves.
There is a similar conspiracy theory about the Iraq oil reserves & the so-called "real reason US attacked Iraq".
This is just because people are too lazy to check the facts. Do you know which country did best in oil terms out of the Iraq war? It is China; it is estimated that China will take one quarter of all Iraq oil exports in the next decades. This is because the major China oil companies are State owned & interested in securing strategic supplies & can live with low profits & erratic supplies.

For the fourth round of postwar oil licensing bidding last May in Iraq, none of the major West oil companies even bothered to bid. Political instability, poor contractual terms and infrastructure bottlenecks have all conspired to reduced the interest in Iraq.
Last year Exxon even decided to sell its stake in the $50bn Iraq West Qurna-1 oil project.
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Re: Israel & US- What to do about Iran Nuke program?

Conspiracy theories? What do you think all of these wars have been fought over - to spread democracy? Looking at the history of US foreign policy (both official and covert) throughout the world, the reality has been to spread instability for the purpose of grabbing resources. Follow the $....
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About "Besides that, Iran has the third largest oil reserves in the world..."

I do get really bored about these brainless conspiracy theories referencing oil reserves.
There is a similar conspiracy theory about the Iraq oil reserves & the so-called "real reason US attacked Iraq".
This is just because people are too lazy to check the facts. Do you know which country did best in oil terms out of the Iraq war? It is China; it is estimated that in the next decade China will take one quarter of all Iraq oil exports in the next decades. This is because the major China oil companies are State owned & interested in securing strategic supplies & can live with low profits & erratic supplies.

For the fourth round of postwar oil licensing bidding last May in Iraq, none of the major West oil companies even bothered to bid. Political instability, poor contractual terms and infrastructure bottlenecks have all conspired to reduced the interest in Iraq.
Last year Exxon even decided to sell its stake in the $50bn Iraq West Qurna-1 oil project.
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oh, so you're not advocating attacking Iran pre-emptively?

And, why would Iran try to attack Israel?

Why isn't it Israel that will be attacking Iran?

Israel, after all, has attacked-

Syria
Lebanon
Jordan
Gaza
Egypt

and that's only in the last year or so.

yeah, yeah... because they had to "defend" themselves. the ones with the 200 nuclear bombs. And Iran will seriously think that they can make one single bomb and they will attack someone with 200 nuclear bombs?

how crazy do you think they are?
Say what?!
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Political instability, poor contractual terms and infrastructure bottlenecks have all conspired to reduced the interest in Iraq.
Reduced, presumably, from the amount of interest before the war began, no?
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