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pretending it doesn't is just snobbery.
It doesn't take a daily mail investigation to find out that I am a snob, I am totally open about it
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

The BBC was reporting last night that this was why police had called in hazardous materials experts to check the house:

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Mr Berezovsky was declared dead at the scene by a paramedic. On leaving the premises, the paramedic's personal electronic dosimeter (PED) was triggered. The device measures the air for potentially dangerous levels of radiation.

However, specialist officers who attended the scene subsequently found no trace of radiation or chemical agents and have said there is no health risk.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...cked-door.html
I still find it interesting that Russian official media should have reported before a post mortem was carried out that he had died of a heart attack. And that he's apparently not the only Russian dissident to have died of a sudden heart attack in the UK recently. Perhaps there's a Mystic Mog somewhere in Russia who can predict when the next troublemaker is due to collapse with heart failure.
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Russian man who had a mad life dying at age 67... seen from Moscow, it is definitely not suspect. What is the life expectency nowadays for Russian males, 65? 63? It can still be a crime, but The lack of surprise is understandeble.
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

But why should they report in advance of a post mortem that he had died of a heart attack? He could have died of, say, a stroke or an overdose.
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The BBC was reporting last night that this was why police had called in hazardous materials experts to check the house:



I still find it interesting that Russian official media should have reported before a post mortem was carried out that he had died of a heart attack. And that he's apparently not the only Russian dissident to have died of a sudden heart attack in the UK recently. Perhaps there's a Mystic Mog somewhere in Russia who can predict when the next troublemaker is due to collapse with heart failure.

you can tell if someone has died from a heart attack right away by looking at the body.

mind you, something can provoke a heart attack, and would not be detected until toxicology was done, but it would still look like a heart attack on the corpse.
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Old 25.03.2013, 13:54
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friend of Alexander Litvinenko (who was murdered in London by the FSB)
Litvinenko was killed in the most open way possible - not only was it clear that he got poisoned but due to the choice of the bizarrly unusual radioactive material was it clear who did it. It is pretty literally the only murder weapon that leaves a scientifically provable trace on planes that flew from Russia to London... His murder was a statement - if you mess with us, we kill you. Nobody including the UK can protect you. It was more of a public announcement than anything else.

This guy died in his bath without any obivous causes. Can the FSB do that? Sure, but why should they suddenly become that discreet? If they wanted him dead could they just as well just shoot him...
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Perhaps they didn't want a diplomatic incident this time. Berezovsky was apparently questioned over the Alexander Litvinenko case and funded Litvinenko's wife's efforts for an inquest. The coroner's inquest into Litvinenko's death is just getting under way and the suspect announced only two weeks ago that he was pulling out. Presumably Berezovsky would have been one of the people giving evidence.

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Boris Berezovsky breaks his silence to tell BBC's Newsnight that Andrei Lugovoi was responsible for the death of his close friend, Mr Litvinenko. ...

Russian billionaire, Boris Berezovsky... is questioned about the death of ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko. He said he agreed to be questioned, but insisted on security precautions for his own safety. ...

Russia launches a spying case in connection with statements made by Mr Lugovoi which accuse Mr Litvinenko and businessman Boris Berezovsky of having contacts with the UK secret service. ...

The government announces it is to expel four diplomats from the Russian embassy in London after Moscow refused to extradite Mr Lugovoi. ...

Russia announces it is to expel four British embassy staff, mirroring the UK's decision to expel four staff from the Russian embassy in London.
Litvinenko timeline

For years, Berezovsky bankrolled the effort of Litvinenko's widow to push for an inquest into her husband's death.
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Litvinenko widow appeals for legal funds after Berezovsky backing runs out

Experts say that, as well as deadly substances such as ricin and polonium, a favoured method for despatching enemies of Russia is poisoning with sodium fluoroacetate, a chemical used in pesticides that causes heart failure when ingested in tiny amounts, with the cause of death notoriously difficult to establish.
Berezovsky 'would never have taken own life'
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Appears now to be hanging according to the BBC.

Odd - they found him in the bath, swept the house for contamination, but he hanged himself...maybe it is pure suicide. Sad if so
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No oranges or tesco carrier bags involved?
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No oranges or tesco carrier bags involved?
One for the kids, there
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you can tell if someone has died from a heart attack right away by looking at the body.
Really? By what criteria?
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Litvinenko was killed in the most open way possible ...His murder was a statement - if you mess with us, we kill you. Nobody including the UK can protect you. It was more of a public announcement than anything else.
According to Alexander Goldfarb, speaking here with Litvinenko's widow, this type of polonium is very difficult to detect - e.g. cannot be detected with a Geiger counter or radiation equipment in hospitals - and had been used because of that. He said that if Litvinenko had drunk more of the poisoned tea, he would have died very quickly, apparently of food poisoning, rather than lingering for weeks and eventually exhibiting symptoms which led experts to test for this substance (using special equipment not available at the hospital). He said that this type of polonium had to be swallowed to kill and otherwise released small amounts of radiation into the air and the poisoner, like the people in the bar where Litvinenko was poisoned, would have been exposed to that, but would be unlikely to suffer any ill effects until perhaps years later as a result of an increased risk of cancer.

Edit: he also said that 210Polonium had a short half-life. According to Wikipedia, 138.4 days, i.e. approx. 4.5 months.
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Really? By what criteria?
by the colour of certain parts of the body. for heart attack, heart failure, etc, it is blue around the mouth and tongue.


in fact, if you watch CSI, you will have learned that in certain types of death, there are some changes to certain parts of the body - burst blood vessels in the eye, for example - that allow you to guess the cause of death
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According to Alexander Goldfarb, speaking here with Litvinenko's widow, this type of polonium is very difficult to detect - e.g. cannot be detected with a Geiger counter or radiation equipment in hospitals - and had been used because of that. He said that if Litvinenko had drunk more of the poisoned tea, he would have died very quickly, apparently of food poisoning, rather than lingering for weeks and eventually exhibiting symptoms which led experts to test for this substance (using special equipment not available at the hospital). He said that this type of polonium had to be swallowed to kill and otherwise released small amounts of radiation into the air and the poisoner, like the people in the bar where he was poisoned, would have been exposed to that, but would be unlikely to suffer any ill effects until perhaps years later as a result of an increased risk of cancer.
Yasser Arafat is suspected of being poisoned by Polonium

In his case, they think it was the Israelis who did it

How long ago did he die? and they are now just doing the exhumation to check this theory
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by the colour of certain parts of the body. for heart attack, heart failure, etc, it is blue around the mouth and tongue.


in fact, if you watch CSI, you will have learned that in certain types of death, there are some changes to certain parts of the body - burst blood vessels in the eye, for example - that allow you to guess the cause of death
Wow, stevesim, you seemed to get very medically aware recently....good job. Guess you've been on a course or something?
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Wow, stevesim, you seemed to get very medically aware recently....good job. Guess you've been on a course or something?
nope, I just saw someone drop dead of a heart attack in front of me when I was 6 years old

and noticed the same thing on people who had died of heart attacks in funeral homes.

and I watch CSI!!
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Did Boris Berezovsky kill himself? More compelling, did he kill Forbes editor Paul Klebnikov?

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Klebnikov was (and remains) the only investigative reporter who exposed Berezovsky for what he truly was: a corrupt, dangerous thug, a chronic (court-certified) liar, and – as Paul wrote in Forbes magazine and in a 2000 biography of Boris — the “Godfather of the Kremlin.”

Paul paid dearly for his groundbreaking investigative journalism about Berezovsky, in terms of six years of time-consuming and unwarranted litigation brought against him and Forbes by the onetime billionaire. (More on that case later.) He may also have paid for it with his life. That’s because Boris has long been one of the main suspects for masterminding the contract-killing of my old friend and colleague.
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by the colour of certain parts of the body. for heart attack, heart failure, etc, it is blue around the mouth and tongue.


in fact, if you watch CSI, you will have learned that in certain types of death, there are some changes to certain parts of the body - burst blood vessels in the eye, for example - that allow you to guess the cause of death
Cyanosis is a general sign of poor oxygenation, not necessarily due to heart failure, but also inter-cranial hemorrhage, pulmonary embolism etc. CSI is not the be-all and end-all of human pathological findings .
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

So wouldn't the hanging have been obvious? Purple mark round neck? Noose of sorts? Where did it go? Would strike me as the first suspicion to announce as opposed to calling in the chemical squad based on the physical evidence of any hanging.

This is sounding as good as the Mi6 operative who suffocated in his own sports bag, that was padlocked from the outside placed in the bath tub without leaving any prints.

Not suspicious in the slightest.
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