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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

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Cyanosis is a general sign of poor oxygenation, not necessarily due to heart failure, but also inter-cranial hemorrhage, pulmonary embolism etc. CSI is not the be-all and end-all of human pathological findings .
the location of the cyanosis gives clues as to the cause of death.
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Old 26.03.2013, 22:57
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But why should they report in advance of a post mortem that he had died of a heart attack? He could have died of, say, a stroke or an overdose.
What is "they" ? "They" most likely are chaps interested to influence the world into believing either in a heart attack of in a suicide. I think he was suicided
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Old 26.03.2013, 23:06
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Litvinenko was killed in the most open way possible - not only was it clear that he got poisoned but due to the choice of the bizarrly unusual radioactive material was it clear who did it. It is pretty literally the only murder weapon that leaves a scientifically provable trace on planes that flew from Russia to London... His murder was a statement - if you mess with us, we kill you. Nobody including the UK can protect you. It was more of a public announcement than anything else.

This guy died in his bath without any obivous causes. Can the FSB do that? Sure, but why should they suddenly become that discreet? If they wanted him dead could they just as well just shoot him...

Yes, they CAN ! And yes they usually ARE discreet. Beside the point that he apparently got hanged
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Old 26.03.2013, 23:19
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The BBC was reporting last night that this was why police had called in hazardous materials experts to check the house:



I still find it interesting that Russian official media should have reported before a post mortem was carried out that he had died of a heart attack. And that he's apparently not the only Russian dissident to have died of a sudden heart attack in the UK recently. Perhaps there's a Mystic Mog somewhere in Russia who can predict when the next troublemaker is due to collapse with heart failure.
exactly, the russians seem to have perfected the art of making people die without apparent cause. but their eagerness to push out the heart attack story gave them away...
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Isn't the cause of death clear to everyone yet? He hanged himself in the library. Then shot himself in the kitchen before swallowing some poison with the last few breaths and fell into the bath which had a hairdryer connected to the electrical socket.

Obvious unassisted suicide, even if you're a regular CSI viewer.
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Isn't the cause of death clear to everyone yet? He hanged himself in the library. Then shot himself in the kitchen before swallowing some poison with the last few breaths and fell into the bath which had a hairdryer connected to the electrical socket.

Obvious unassisted suicide, even if you're a regular CSI viewer.
he was killed by death, as Lemmy might say.
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Old 27.03.2013, 00:22
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Well if you think that Andreas Baader of the Baader-Meinhof RAF managed to shoot hisself twice in the head a high security prison and nobody heard the shots, also let' not forget Uwe Barschel, SPD politician mixed up in a scandal, found dead in a bathtub in Geneva.
Good old fashioned political murder, or as Stalin is reputed to have said:
"No man, no problem"
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I still find it interesting that Russian official media should have reported before a post mortem was carried out that he had died of a heart attack. And that he's apparently not the only Russian dissident to have died of a sudden heart attack in the UK recently. Perhaps there's a Mystic Mog somewhere in Russia who can predict when the next troublemaker is due to collapse with heart failure.
The obituary had probably been written before he died. cf: Death And The Penguin ' Kurkov, A.
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Well if you think that Andreas Baader of the Baader-Meinhof RAF managed to shoot hisself twice in the head a high security prison and nobody heard the shots, also let' not forget Uwe Barschel, SPD politician mixed up in a scandal, found dead in a bathtub in Geneva.
Good old fashioned political murder, or as Stalin is reputed to have said:
"No man, no problem"
Yes also Mr Barschel was suicided The Geneva judiciary did cover itself with glamour, but rather became the victim of uncountable jokes in both Switzerland and Germany. One of the jokes on German TV was den Genfer Springbrunnen sehen und sterben
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I love the torygraph headline

"B was hanged say police"

Then it goes on to talk about suicide. Excepted that would be"hanged himself
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Nothing can be proven either way, but it shows a lack of familiarity with Russian mentality to talk about timing and convenience making a political assassination unlikely in this case. Killing someone just to make a point may be a fading concept in the West, but in some places in the world it's still alive and well.

It goes beyond conspiracy theory, but more of a quiet terror that Russians (and many other cultures, I'd imagine, but I can only speak for one) often inflict on each other. "We all know it was me who did it and you'll never prove it. Get in line or you'll suffer the same fate."

Edit: Remembered a funny story. This rift in mentality was highlighted during a lesson at a US high school in my teens. We were talking about post-World War I. One American student seemed outright puzzled why Trotsky would be assassinated all the way out in Mexico. Seemed excessive. A part of me agreed with him, and the Russian part of me was like, "Well, you gotta get the dude."

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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Berezovsky is reported to have said 'there is no point in life' to a Russian Forbes journalist less than 48 hours before his death but the interview was apparently not recorded ("During his conversation with the Russian Forbes journalist, which was not recorded, ...").

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"We all know it was me who did it and you'll never prove it. Get in line or you'll suffer the same fate."
The death of that GCHQ employee in a bag in his bath almost seemed like a security service presenting a challenge by staging a bizarrely elaborate killing.
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Coroner requests public inquiry into Litvinenko death

"A government spokesman told the BBC it would carefully consider the coroner's request."
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

Litvinenko public inquiry blocked by British government
"a UK government spokesman said the inquest would be an effective investigation into the death"

Meanwhile, Russian justice at work:

Russian protest leader Alexei Navalny jailed for five years for theft and embezzlement

Dead [sic] Russian lawyer, who acted for a Putin opponent, found guilty of fraud
BBC Panorama video: The Russians are coming
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

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Litvinenko public inquiry blocked by British government
"a UK government spokesman said the inquest would be an effective investigation into the death"
They want Russian co-operation over Syria. Simple as that.


Ironically, Russians had been told for years that the West was corrupt, so when communism was dropped, corruption was more expected than would otherwise be the case.
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I hate to break it to you, but the Daily Mail actually contains factual news. And pretending it doesn't is just snobbery.

I don't agree with their editorial pieces, and I think that that's where your dislike may be as well.
the journalists of the boulevard press do not lie intentionally. But they are not given time for research and whatever story is to be presented immediately

This means that they have to be swift and fast and have to write in a simple and clear language understandable to everybody

A boulevard journal has to cater for the "man on the road". Detailed analysis can be done if the journalist is up to the topic but is not a requirement
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

The murder of Litvinenko

According to this documentary, Alexander Litvinenko claimed to have been asked by an FSB superior to assassinate Boris Berezovsky, a claim backed up on hidden camera by other agents.

Boris Berezovsky inquest returns open verdict on death
Russia Today: ‘Berezovsky killed my son’, Litvinenko’s dad tells Scotland Yard
BBC: Russia inquiry - Lugovoi 'a victim' in Litvinenko case
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Re: Another political assassination on British soil?

President Putin 'probably' approved Litvinenko murder
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The murder of ex-Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko in 2006 was "probably" approved by President Vladimir Putin, a public inquiry has concluded. Mr Putin is likely to have signed off the poisoning of Mr Litvinenko in London, in part due to personal "antagonism" between the pair, it said.
Wonder what this will do to British-Russian relations.
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