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According to some newspapers today Turkey's air force started bombing Kurds in Turkey today!

If it is true Turkey will give the US access to their bases then we could have the strange situation that the US are bombing Syria to protect Kurds while the Turks are using the same base to bomb Kurds in Turkey?

I guess this is the end of the peace process with Turkish Kurds.
Turkish Air Force has bombed Kurds who had AK-47's, RPG's and PKM machine guns in their hands, who also were in the process of encircling a Turkish military outpost.
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Old 19.10.2014, 13:40
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Seems the big corruption probe has been officially cancelled.

I do not see Turkey ever joining the EU although the EU is not immune, quote "Corruption is estimated to costs EU Member States no less than 120 billion Euros each year."
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Old 14.12.2014, 21:54
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Old thread but nevertheless;
Turkish police have detained at least 23 people in orchestrated raids on opposition media outlets with "claimed" close ties to the US-based Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen, a key critic of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

The raids came days after Erdoğan announced a fresh operation against supporters of Gülen, a former ally whom Erdoğan accuses of having established a “parallel organisation”

The detained, including journalists, producers, scriptwriters, directors, police officers and two former police chiefs, are accused of forming an illegal organisation whose members “engage in forgery and slander”, according to a statement published by the Istanbul public prosecutor’s office.

The newspaper’s editor-in-chief, Ekrem Dumanli, gave a defiant speech, widely publicised in Turkish media, in which he challenged police to arrest him. He was detained, as was the head of the Samanyolu Media Group, Hidayet Karaca.

“This is a shameful sight for Turkey”, Karaca told the press before he was seized by police. “Sadly this is how they treat a media group with tens of television and radio stations, internet media and magazines in 21st-century Turkey.”

The head of the main opposition Republican People’s party (CHP), Kemal Kiliçdaroğlu, called the raids “a coup against democracy” and accused the AKP of leading a “coup government”.
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Turkish police have detained at least 23 people in orchestrated raids on opposition media outlets with "claimed" close ties to the US-based Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen, a key critic of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
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Looks like Turkey is trying not to allow their own Maidan. I am sure the gas deal with Russia has made many US politicians angry. So the protests are coming to Turkey, possibly Nuland has already prepared the cookies.
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Old thread but nevertheless;
Turkish police have detained at least 23 people in orchestrated raids on opposition media outlets with "claimed" close ties to the US-based Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen, a key critic of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

The raids came days after Erdoğan announced a fresh operation against supporters of Gülen, a former ally whom Erdoğan accuses of having established a “parallel organisation”

The detained, including journalists, producers, scriptwriters, directors, police officers and two former police chiefs, are accused of forming an illegal organisation whose members “engage in forgery and slander”, according to a statement published by the Istanbul public prosecutor’s office.

The newspaper’s editor-in-chief, Ekrem Dumanli, gave a defiant speech, widely publicised in Turkish media, in which he challenged police to arrest him. He was detained, as was the head of the Samanyolu Media Group, Hidayet Karaca.

“This is a shameful sight for Turkey”, Karaca told the press before he was seized by police. “Sadly this is how they treat a media group with tens of television and radio stations, internet media and magazines in 21st-century Turkey.”

The head of the main opposition Republican People’s party (CHP), Kemal Kiliçdaroğlu, called the raids “a coup against democracy” and accused the AKP of leading a “coup government”.
Would you promote a Sunni Muslim faction of Islam that enforces sexist practices and call it democracy? "However, former teachers from outside the Gülen community have called into question the treatment of women and girls in Gülen schools, reporting that female teachers were excluded from administrative responsibilities, allowed little autonomy, and—along with girls from the sixth grade and up—segregated from male colleagues and pupils during break and lunch periods." Wikipedia.

To me this movement and those backing it is similar to the backing of MEK in Iran or Mujahideen in Afghanistan, the house of Saud and wahhabism, the Shah in Iran The British used to do it- divide and conquer. It is a move by foreign powers to destabilize and gain control. Except that the British did not do it without forming string links within the country and communities- kind of Lawrence of Arabia, carrot and stick. Previously, the US looked for short term solutions, didn't take time to cultivate the locally grown carrot, ended up bribing the wrong people and getting further entrenched. Gulen are just a diversion.
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Old 15.12.2014, 08:15
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Turkish police have detained at least 23 people in orchestrated raids on opposition media outlets with "claimed" close ties to the US-based Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen, a key critic of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

The raids came days after Erdoğan announced a fresh operation against supporters of Gülen, a former ally whom Erdoğan accuses of having established a “parallel organisation”

The detained, including journalists, producers, scriptwriters, directors, police officers and two former police chiefs, are accused of forming an illegal organisation whose members “engage in forgery and slander”, according to a statement published by the Istanbul public prosecutor’s office.

The newspaper’s editor-in-chief, Ekrem Dumanli, gave a defiant speech, widely publicised in Turkish media, in which he challenged police to arrest him. He was detained, as was the head of the Samanyolu Media Group, Hidayet Karaca.

“This is a shameful sight for Turkey”, Karaca told the press before he was seized by police. “Sadly this is how they treat a media group with tens of television and radio stations, internet media and magazines in 21st-century Turkey.”

The head of the main opposition Republican People’s party (CHP), Kemal Kiliçdaroğlu, called the raids “a coup against democracy” and accused the AKP of leading a “coup government”.

For the Erdogan Regime, the Kurds are still THE enemy
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For the Erdogan Regime, the Kurds are still THE enemy
You say this quoting a text where the word Kurd is not written?
And since when is Fethullah Gülen a Kurd?
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Old 15.12.2014, 12:44
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Would you promote a Sunni Muslim faction of Islam that enforces sexist practices and call it democracy? "However, former teachers from outside the Gülen community have called into question the treatment of women and girls in Gülen schools, reporting that female teachers were excluded from administrative responsibilities, allowed little autonomy, and—along with girls from the sixth grade and up—segregated from male colleagues and pupils during break and lunch periods." Wikipedia.

To me this movement and those backing it is similar to the backing of MEK in Iran or Mujahideen in Afghanistan, the house of Saud and wahhabism, the Shah in Iran The British used to do it- divide and conquer. It is a move by foreign powers to destabilize and gain control. Except that the British did not do it without forming string links within the country and communities- kind of Lawrence of Arabia, carrot and stick. Previously, the US looked for short term solutions, didn't take time to cultivate the locally grown carrot, ended up bribing the wrong people and getting further entrenched. Gulen are just a diversion.
You think women and girls are treated differently in Erdogan's religious schools?
This is the Erdogan who only a couple weeks ago gave a speech about ‘women not equal to men’"

The Gulen movement is active in education with private schools and universities in over 140 countries; it is nonsense to say this movement is a move by foreign powers to destabilize and gain control Turkey.
One objective is to show "the peaceful face of Islam". this is not compatible with fomenting rioting.
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Old 15.12.2014, 13:30
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Looks like Turkey is trying not to allow their own Maidan. I am sure the gas deal with Russia has made many US politicians angry. So the protests are coming to Turkey, possibly Nuland has already prepared the cookies.
Could you please explain your logic?

Ukraine is buying just so much gas from Russia now as before Maiden.

Why would a revolution in Turkey (which is highly unlikely as Erdogan is very popular) result in Turkey buying less gas?

p.s. How will arresting the editor of the best selling newspaper in Turkey help to calm things down?p Looks more like a provocation to me!

p.p.s Following on from these arrests the EU complained, in response Erdogan made a strong speech telling the EU to mind their own business! The lire promptly fell to a new all time low of 2.36 to the US$

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Re: Turkish Spring?

Well, I still wouldn't mind visiting again! Turkey is beautiful. http://www.bbc.com/travel/feature/20...tterfly-valley
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Old 15.12.2014, 22:31
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Re: Turkish Spring?

In the latest surreal twist of this saga people involved in Turkish soap operas are being arrested on the grounds that the soap operas are being used to influence people against the Government.
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Old 15.12.2014, 22:33
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Well, I still wouldn't mind visiting again! Turkey is beautiful. http://www.bbc.com/travel/feature/20...tterfly-valley
Sure - eat, drink and be merry; ignore the politics.
So many holiday destinations also have these two faces like Maldives, Seychelles, Crimea and more.
Always better not to look too deeply
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In the latest surreal twist of this saga people involved in Turkish soap operas are being arrested on the grounds that the soap operas are being used to influence people against the Government.
Holly ****. Do you have a link?
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Old 15.12.2014, 22:46
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Holly ****. Do you have a link?
Sure, it is the ft so you may need to be a subscriber
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7cef3...#axzz3LxemYU2Z
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Sure, it is the ft so you may need to be a subscriber
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7cef3...#axzz3LxemYU2Z
Yeah... That won't happen..

Edit, I managed to read it.

The guy is shit bat crazy...
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Perhaps a wise move-We all know that soap operas are the opium of the masses!
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Sure - eat, drink and be merry; ignore the politics.
So many holiday destinations also have these two faces like Maldives, Seychelles, Crimea and more.
Always better not to look too deeply
You can add most European and US cities to that list, we all have immigrant slave labor, sex slaves, paedophile rings, illegal methods of torture ad incarceration, corruption etc. What we don't have or promote are religious political groups for government.

However, if erdogan really siad this:

'Erdogan has also drawn the ire of feminist groups for declaring that every woman in Turkey should have three children and with proposals to limit abortion rights and the morning-after pill.'
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You can add most European and US cities to that list, we all have immigrant slave labor, sex slaves, paedophile rings, illegal methods of torture ad incarceration, corruption etc. What we don't have or promote are religious political groups for government.

However, if erdogan really siad this:

'Erdogan has also drawn the ire of feminist groups for declaring that every woman in Turkey should have three children and with proposals to limit abortion rights and the morning-after pill.'
or read more here?
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You say this quoting a text where the word Kurd is not written?
And since when is Fethullah Gülen a Kurd?

Gülen indeed is a former ally of Erdogan. NOW opposed to the ruler. Amazing and confusing that Erdogan now has to act against fundamentalists, to defend his rule
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Re: Turkish Spring?

They are all nuts
A prosecutor has asked a Turkish court to issue an arrest warrant for US-based Muslim cleric Fethullah Gülen, who President Tayyip Erdoğan accuses of trying to overthrow him, but no court decision has been made, a government official said on Friday.
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