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Re: Turkish Spring?

I think they immediately started looking for a syrian kurd connection, maybe he fought there, maybe has a cousin with the YPG, and they want to be able to use that.
The bomb went off, might have been kurd but conveniently blame the YPG? Everyone was expecting something like this.
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Old 18.02.2016, 20:38
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How stupid do they think we are?
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Old 18.02.2016, 20:52
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Peoples capability in believing in stupid stuff never ceases to amaze me:

50% of voters voted for AKP.
Terrorists believe they can conqure cities against an army
Millions of people beleived that Iraq had MDWs.

So yes, it makes perfect sense that they follow their agenda and find the convenient ttrut in caos.
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Old 18.02.2016, 21:03
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Comments from Mr Davutoglu
“I am warning Russia once more,” he said in a televised statement, “If these terror attacks continue, they will be as responsible as the YPG.”

So far the Turkish Govt has blamed the Kurds in Syria, the Syrian Govt. and now the Russians; who else can they find?

I assume the Russians are terrified by these threats

Turkish planes have now bombed Kurds in Iraq; I assume because the Russians will not let their Turkish planes over Syria to bomb one, or more, of the groups the Turks claim to be responsible forAnkara?
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Old 18.02.2016, 21:10
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Peoples capability in believing in stupid stuff never ceases to amaze me:

50% of voters voted for AKP.
Terrorists believe they can conqure cities against an army
Millions of people beleived that Iraq had MDWs.

So yes, it makes perfect sense that they follow their agenda and find the convenient ttrut in caos.
50% of voters voted for AKP.

Did they?
Here is someone who believes the results were faked!
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Old 18.02.2016, 21:11
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Comments from Mr Davutoglu
“I am warning Russia once more,” he said in a televised statement, “If these terror attacks continue, they will be as responsible as the YPG.”

So far the Turkish Govt has blamed the Kurds in Syria, the Syrian Govt. and now the Russians; who else can they find?

I assume the Russians are terrified by these threats

Turkish planes have now bombed Kurds in Iraq; I assume because the Russians will not let their Turkish planes over Syria to bomb one, or more, of the groups the Turks claim to be responsible forAnkara?
Yes they dont fly over Syria but they continue to bomb from land to which Russia can not do shit. In that sense both are useless.

Btw, the bombing of Kandil is not because of Ankara attack but the bombing of today in Diyarbakir which killed 6 soldiers. So lets get the facts strait.
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Old 18.02.2016, 21:13
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50% of voters voted for AKP.

Did they?
Here is someone who believes the results were faked!
I hate AKP to my bones but yes they did get 50%.

This is our failure and unless we accept it we can not change it.
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Old 18.02.2016, 21:21
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Yes they dont fly over Syria but they continue to bomb from land to which Russia can not do shit. In that sense both are useless.

Btw, the bombing of Kandil is not because of Ankara attack but the bombing of today in Diyarbakir which killed 6 soldiers. So lets get the facts strait.

Turkish warplanes bombed the terrorist Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) camps in northern Iraq overnight and shelled Syria Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) targets in Syria, hours after a suicide car bomb attack targeting military buses killed 28 soldiers and civilians in the Turkish capital Ankara, security sources said on Thursday.
source here.
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Re: Turkish Spring?

You are right , it is my misinformation.

Here is another link

Although, as you might know, they dont need a reason for that..
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Old 19.02.2016, 05:21
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How stupid do they think we are?
Sultan Tayyip I regards everybody as stupid. The Turkish ruler has started to build the new Istanbul Airport close to Bulgaria; while Czar Vladiimir I now supports an Independent Kurdistan


Let s look at the past 2 yrs. The West tolerated (supported) ISIS and did nothing against them. The USA under Israel influence did NOT allow Iraq to re-build its AIRFORCE. Recently Russia started to re-establish the IRAQI AIR FORCE and also to rebuild the Armed Forces of the Syrian Arab Republic and to liquidate ISIS. And what is the West doing now ? Crying for a ceasefire as soon as its pet ISIS gets liquidated


The rulers of Russia and Turkey arrived at the correct conclusion ..
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Old 19.02.2016, 17:14
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Wolli, do you mean to say the west is secretly supporting IS? If so, what makes you say that?
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Old 19.02.2016, 17:41
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Well what I see is, Russia and USA are playing dirty after Turkey got close to BRICS via Russia

and IMHO Erdogan has decided wrong to not getting closer to BRICS, which will be seen in decades.
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Old 19.02.2016, 19:16
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Well what I see is, Russia and USA are playing dirty after Turkey got close to BRICS via Russia

and IMHO Erdogan has decided wrong to not getting closer to BRICS, which will be seen in decades.
BRICS is just a joke..not the countries but the BRICS itself. Turkey should strive to be a real democracy with real human rights. Other following steps of deveoplment will come after.

Btw, a subgroup PKK has taken responsibility for the Ankara attack.
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Old 19.02.2016, 21:36
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BRICS is just a joke..not the countries but the BRICS itself. Turkey should strive to be a real democracy with real human rights. Other following steps of deveoplment will come after.

Btw, a subgroup PKK has taken responsibility for the Ankara attack.
For credibility; responsibility has to be claimed before an attack or within minutes afterwards.

This claim is consequently not credible

If they cannot provide a video of the bomber taken before the attack then we can completely forget this claim
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For credibility; responsibility has to be claimed before an attack or within minutes afterwards.

This claim is consequently not credible

If they cannot provide a video of the bomber taken before the attack then we can completely forget this claim
It is not governments claim it is the claim of the organization. They are saying they did it.
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Old 19.02.2016, 21:46
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It is not governments claim it is the claim of the organization. They are saying they did it.
I know but I do not believe them.

They are too late and so far failed to provide conclusive proof.

I am surprised that more groups have failed to claim responsibility for this!
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Erdogan warned by the ft to stop meddling in Syria, link here.
Might be behind a paywall.

As written in the article "Five years ago, Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government hoped to serve as a model for its Arab Muslim neighbours and shape them along its own neo-Islamist lines"

Now Turkey has lost all its friends!

The Gulf countries have turned away,
Egypt following their coup against the Muslim brotherhood is strongly anti - Erdogan.

Erdogan himself managed to destroy good relationships with Israel, Syria and Russia.
Now he is becoming a thorn in the side of the EU and NATO.

The official policy of "Policy of Zero Problems with our Neighbours" has turned into a bad joke.

The relationship with Iraq seemed to be improving but has been torpedoed by Erdogan bombing Kurds in Iraq without permission from the Iraq government.

Relationships were improving with Iran but have been torpedoed by Erdogan's political attacks on Assad.

Armenia is still waiting for an apology for the genocide

Then there is the Cyprus situation ....
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Old 19.02.2016, 23:28
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Erdogan warned by the ft to stop meddling in Syria, link here.
Might be behind a paywall.

As written in the article "Five years ago, Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government hoped to serve as a model for its Arab Muslim neighbours and shape them along its own neo-Islamist lines"

Now Turkey has lost all its friends!

The Gulf countries have turned away,
Egypt following their coup against the Muslim brotherhood is strongly anti - Erdogan.

Erdogan himself managed to destroy good relationships with Israel, Syria and Russia.
Now he is becoming a thorn in the side of the EU and NATO.

The official policy of "Policy of Zero Problems with our Neighbours" has turned into a bad joke.

The relationship with Iraq seemed to be improving but has been torpedoed by Erdogan bombing Kurds in Iraq without permission from the Iraq government.

Relationships were improving with Iran but have been torpedoed by Erdogan's political attacks on Assad.

Armenia is still waiting for an apology for the genocide

Then there is the Cyprus situation ....
Don't forget the young Kurd supported by USA.

We need a poll on how long Erdogan is going to stay president and / or alive.
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Old 19.02.2016, 23:36
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Don't forget the young Kurd supported by USA.

We need a poll on how long Erdogan is going to stay president and / or alive.
Also Kurds supported by Russia who are providing supportive air strikes.
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Wolli, do you mean to say the west is secretly supporting IS? If so, what makes you say that?


not secretly but defacto. Leaders of ISIS apparently are West Europeans. And a strong ISIS helps the Israeli Position while a re-started Iraqi Air Force is to become a competition for the Israeli Air Force as it was before the al-Takriti regime
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