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Old 02.06.2013, 22:36
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btw. what's with all the Communist flags? I thought people were exaggerating how many there were, but i've seen quite a few images like this one...
As I said before, every political allegeance are coming together in this protest.
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As I said before, every political allegeance are coming together in this protest.
... and the Grey Wolf shall lie down with the komünist kuzu...
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Old 02.06.2013, 22:44
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... and the Grey Wolf shall lie down with the komünist kuzu...
translation please?
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Each time the military was involved, it was to bring back the government on track. The military is there to protect the country to fall into Islamist hands and had been doing a great job until now..
Only governments elected by people have a mandate to decide. there are many asian and african countries where military thinks themselves to be above all rules, and we see the results in front of us. I hope Turkey does not become Burma
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Old 03.06.2013, 02:53
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Only governments elected by people have a mandate to decide. there are many asian and african countries where military thinks themselves to be above all rules, and we see the results in front of us. I hope Turkey does not become Burma
You are aware that Turkey had four (!) military coup d'état in the past six decades?
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Old 03.06.2013, 05:10
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Erdoğan got 50% of the vote on an 83% turnout in the last election in 2011. Outside Istanbul and the west coast he has massive support, particularly in rural areas.

The majority of the country probably support the new laws which have lead to the disturbances, regardless of what Istanbul thinks. I don't really see the parallels with Syria/Egypt etc.
General Mubarak in quite credible presidential elections got a serious YES for him. Just as Mr Erdogan, Mr Mubarak had an excellent record in regard to economic progress.

And NO, the majority of the country did NOT support the new laws and decrees but the economic progress brought about by Mr Erdogan.

Mr Erdogan, just as Mr Menderes in 1959, possibly simply went a bit too far.

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The government has been pushing the workshipping of Ataturk down our throat for so long while quietly destroying his legacy.

I am happy of what is going on in Istanbul. I hope Erdogan will be kicked out.

while I hope that he gets the chance to step down in favour of new elections and will not share the fate of Adnan Menderes and Celal Bayar

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You are aware that Turkey had four (!) military coup d'état in the past six decades?
Sure. And a 5th one may well be in the pipeline

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Old 03.06.2013, 09:45
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Erdogan called protesters terrorists.

Really?

Look at those pictures
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Old 03.06.2013, 09:48
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Re: Turkish Spring?

More here on what is going on.

Police attack protesters
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Old 03.06.2013, 10:30
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Re: Turkish Spring?

An other website showing tons of pictures day by day of the protest.

Major Mobil phone company as been forced by the government to close down its signal in Taksim to stop protesters using telecommunications.
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Thanks for the links Nil.
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Friends and family in Istanbul are saying the same things. It is going backward rapidly there.
What do you think about the progress in Turkey's EU bid then? Turkey's EU membership talks have been on hold for a long time, but recently the senior European leaders have called for new negotiations. I would expect this to be the sign of improvement and not rapidly going backward.

Reuters reported in May that "Turkey is likely to move ahead on EU path in June"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94Q0F220130527
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Erdogan is still a very popular leader, if he continues to call the protestors terrorists & responds with official violence then his popularity may well slide away.

He needs to address the reasons for the protests & find some compromises.
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What do you think about the progress in Turkey's EU bid then? Turkey's EU membership talks have been on hold for a long time, but recently the senior European leaders have called for new negotiations. I would expect this to be the sign of improvement and not rapidly going backward.

Reuters reported in May that "Turkey is likely to move ahead on EU path in June"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94Q0F220130527
To be honest, I believe it is a very bad idea. I don't think it will bring any good to the population and certainly won't improve quality of life.
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To be honest, I believe it is a very bad idea. I don't think it will bring any good to the population and certainly won't improve quality of life.
I, on the other hand, welcome the accession of Turkey - they would be the next black sheep. I am kidding, I honestly believe it would be a bad idea for them.

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Erdogan is still a very popular leader, if he continues to call the protestors terrorists & responds with official violence then his popularity may well slide away.

He needs to address the reasons for the protests & find some compromises.
But will it? In urban western Turkey he will become more unpopular, but he didn't have much support there anyway. If anything, this could make him more popular overall - remember that most of these laws have been made to appease conservative rural Turks, who form a majority in terms of population. They could well be glad to see him being firm and unrelenting in applying their preferred social policies.

There is a fundamental disconnect in the outlook and needs between the two groups, and the minority are saying enough is enough in the only way they can. That's the problem with a fully centralised government where 50%+1 has unchecked power - once you are in the majority, you never need to find compromises.
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Re: Turkish Spring?

Spring? In the thread title?

That was an overused media term from 2011 based on wishful thinking that the whole region would awaken and blossom. Apart from toppling some dictators, some places show signs of regression instead of any progress.

I considered Turkey to be an advanced society, but I don't see how this situation leads to anything positive. I think its outcome leads to regression one way or another.

Turkish Autumn can be just as appropriate of a term to describe it.
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I'm sure they'll be made up to hear that.

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Spring? In the thread title?

That was an overused media term from 2011 based on wishful thinking that the whole region would awaken and blossom. Apart from toppling some dictators, some places show signs of regression instead of any progress.

I considered Turkey to be an advanced society, but I don't see how this situation leads to anything positive. I think its outcome leads to regression one way or another.

Turkish Autumn can be just as appropriate of a term to describe it.
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But will it? In urban western Turkey he will become more unpopular, but he didn't have much support there anyway. If anything, this could make him more popular overall - remember that most of these laws have been made to appease conservative rural Turks, who form a majority in terms of population. They could well be glad to see him being firm and unrelenting in applying their preferred social policies.

There is a fundamental disconnect in the outlook and needs between the two groups, and the minority are saying enough is enough in the only way they can. That's the problem with a fully centralised government where 50%+1 has unchecked power - once you are in the majority, you never need to find compromises.
About "to appease conservative rural Turks, ............ They could well be glad"

Depends which has the strongest effect; stronger laws or watching their fellow country men (& women) being assualted by the police - & in which direction they will be effected.......

Either way I do not see this as having a good influence on the tourist trade.
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Either way I do not see this as having a good influence on the tourist trade.
Even Syria has issued travel warning for Turkey
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To be honest, I believe it is a very bad idea. I don't think it will bring any good to the population and certainly won't improve quality of life.
Sure, it could be a bad idea. This is strange though that the EU is calling for new negotiations of Turkey's EU membership now, after a long interruption, if the situation in Turkey really deteriorated in recent years.
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