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How long do you give it?

NATO has handed security over to the Afghan authorities. So - how long do you think it's going to be before the Taliban are back in power. I'd say by the end of the year.
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Old 18.06.2013, 14:50
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Re: How long do you give it?

A very sad day indeed: remembering all the lives lost since the Russian, US and British invasions. What has been achieved there? Nothing!

Maybe we should just let these countries fight amongst themselves? I have not seen any evidence that the rich Arub states have done anything to help their brothers. Why should we lay down our lives for Iraq, Afghanistan and now maybe Syria?
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Old 18.06.2013, 14:53
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Re: How long do you give it?

The Taliban will run amok and be back in power within 2-3 years maximum.
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Old 18.06.2013, 14:55
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Re: How long do you give it?

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What has been achieved there? Nothing!
well, all the drug cultivation that the Taliban were quite good at stamping out seems to be flourishing again under the current regime...
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Re: How long do you give it?

The US was warned by Russia and they didn't listen. Every country that invades Afghanistan gets their ass kicked! It's amazing. Many in the so-called industrialized modern countries feel that they are messing with a bunch of nitwits when it comes to taking over these countries. With all their so-called modern, superior weaponry they could not supersede the "will of the people," even if the will of the people was wrong in the eyes of the invaders. These people are not looking for "heroes." US has to leave well enough alone and start to take care of their own turf. They are going the same route as Britain who used to be "Great" at one time....pity really.
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Old 18.06.2013, 20:05
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well, all the drug cultivation that the Taliban were quite good at stamping out seems to be flourishing again under the current regime...
Taliban did not stamp out drug cultivation. At the beginning Taliban used the profits from drug sales to buy villages resisting their advance & later to fund their own day to day activities (plus a margin!).

Just google it
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A very sad day indeed: remembering all the lives lost since the Russian, US and British invasions. What has been achieved there? Nothing!

Maybe we should just let these countries fight amongst themselves? I have not seen any evidence that the rich Arub states have done anything to help their brothers. Why should we lay down our lives for Iraq, Afghanistan and now maybe Syria?
I think the people who laid down their lives , did so thinking they were doing it

for their country, some were wise, but cynical and were just doing a job.

Others just needed to shoot at some people who did not look like their

ancestors.

I would say Haliburton certainly benefitted from the Iraq invasion. Kellog,

Brown & Root, perhaps. XE corporation, and other mercenary businesses.

THe comment :"we should let them fight it out" sounds like that T-shirt

tagline" "Kill ´em all and let God sort them out".

The reason why kids go fight in such places is to maintain somebody´s financial interest.

The rich Arab states have no interest in helping their "brothers". THEY are fomenting , at least partially , the civil war in Syria ,for example.
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Re: How long do you give it?

I give them less then a year to be where they left of 10 ish years ago




Sometimes I wonder if countries Such as these are not better off without any invasion and leave current regimes in place with certain limitations/expectations. Kinda like the drug cartels ; I mean governments, in Mexico and Brazil. Where they fund many things for the local communities..... . Leaving out off course the brutal suppression some people or groups might occur. Example; to us the Burka seems a horrid custom practices in the East but for many of them it is normal, accepted, and adhered to. Same as it is horrid for Indians that we eat cows and the list can go on forever.

I always like to look at Russia where communism "failed"... and looking at it today where imho it seemed to have been better in the olden days for the greater part. And app many are wishing things remained the same. Many modernizations should be in place off course.

My history professor once said, democracy has not been proven to work , it just hasn't been disproved yet.

In the end if you look at current governments even in the West I think they have more of an influence of communism and socialism than free market and democracy. (CH is a pretty good exception though as the people still really vote for certain issues (although they seem petty issues)

In the end with such different cultures , different styles of leadership need to be in place.


A pretty radical and different view but I am basing this on what I am currently seeing, experiencing, and partly my believes.
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Old 18.06.2013, 22:33
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Re: How long do you give it?

I don't think the Taliban have ever gone - they've just been biding their time till now, with the odd insurgency every now and again, to let the coalition know they're still around.

It will be back to business as usually within a relatively short time - it suits the war lords and village chiefs, who will never change.
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Re: How long do you give it?

This thread has such a kinky title.

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Old 18.06.2013, 23:04
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Re: How long do you give it?

Just being reported, now, that Obama is seeking direct peace talks with the Taliban.
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NATO has handed security over to the Afghan authorities. So - how long do you think it's going to be before the Taliban are back in power. I'd say by the end of the year.
The chance of the Karzai regime is that the Taliban no longer exists. The "Taliban" have been kept alive by USA media and by the Western military commanders. There in reality is an assortment of political groups who only share to be opposed to the Karzai regime. Karzai was the man of Germany, and the USA amazingly took him over.

But in future, things may be dominated by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Rashid Dostum. Foreign powers tried to keep things under their control. The power struggle between Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and Rashid Dostum may even result in a break up of Afghanistan
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Just being reported, now, that Obama is seeking direct peace talks with the Taliban.
His problem will be to find a partner for talks. The opponents to the Karzai regime only are united in wanting the Westerners to GET OUT
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His problem will be to find a partner for talks. The opponents to the Karzai regime only are united in wanting the Westerners to GET OUT
No problem. The Taliban opened the official headquaters in Qatar yesterday The talks with the US will start next week.

http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-taliban...142937353.html
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Re: How long do you give it?

Yeah, they'll agree to everything and as soon as all the troops leave they'll start imposing their "vision" of Afghanistan on everyone else in the country. They've done it before and there's no reason to think it'll be different this time. Of course, US, UK and other countries will hail the agreement as a great success, until the Taliban start acting and show them up as the fools they are for believing them. Their religious state doesn't allow for equal rights for minorities and women and they've already shown that they'll persecute/kill anyone who doesn't toe their religious line.

I agree Anthony1406 that democracy isn't necessarily the best system to try and put in place in many countries in the world. Unless there is a "history" of having such a system in existence, more needs to be done to work on improving/adapting other traditional systems to take account of our changing world. But, as usual, the problem is whether those in power are willing to make those changes.
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NATO has handed security over to the Afghan authorities. So - how long do you think it's going to be before the Taliban are back in power. I'd say by the end of the year.
I think the Taliban has never been out of power. The US was trying to make a deal with the Taliban for years. The last talks were suspended by the Taliban after massacre of 16 Afghan civilians by a US soldier in 2012.
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Re: How long do you give it?

What are you guys talking about, the president of the US Barack Cheney is doing a good job.

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Old 19.06.2013, 08:08
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Well, at least we know what your political views are focussed on.
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Taliban did not stamp out drug cultivation. At the beginning Taliban used the profits from drug sales to buy villages resisting their advance & later to fund their own day to day activities (plus a margin!).

Just google it
Taliban banned heroin production for being un-Islamic. Production up 4000% since the US invasion.

http://rt.com/news/afghanistan-heroi...increased-266/
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Taliban banned heroin production for being un-Islamic. Production up 4000% since the US invasion.

http://rt.com/news/afghanistan-heroi...increased-266/
With US soldiers actually protecting poppy fields. There's no contradiction between pouring billions into the Drug War at home and doing this, right?
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