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Old 29.06.2013, 10:11
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True justice?

Does this really deserve a life sentence?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23108432

I know she's not likely to be in jail for the rest of her life, but is that sentence really justified in the first place? US rape laws are pretty strong so I guess a case can be made for saying this is similar, but given her health issues I would have thought 10-15 years might be more appropriate.

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Old 29.06.2013, 10:16
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Re: True justice?

Yes! She drugged him, tied him up and then cut his penis off.

Regardless of any argument she had beforehand noone should intentially look to mutilate another person.

She got what she asked for!
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Old 29.06.2013, 10:22
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Re: True justice?

I'm not sure - but I guess that the judge knows more about the law than we do, and the jury know more of the story than we do......so their verdict is probably better than my guess
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Old 29.06.2013, 10:27
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Re: True justice?

There just seems to be less regard given to "diminished responsibility" in the US justice system. Yes, she did wrong and should receive some punishment but she has a tragic background of abuse which probably affected her judgement at the time of the crime.

A life sentence is just too harsh in this case.
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Old 29.06.2013, 10:28
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Re: True justice?

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There just seems to be less regard given to "diminished responsibility" in the US justice system. Yes, she did wrong and should receive some punishment but she has a tragic background of abuse which probably affected her judgement at the time of the crime.

A life sentence is just too harsh in this case.
Diminished responsibility is a nice excuse to manipulate the system
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Old 29.06.2013, 10:29
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Re: True justice?

Women: Too harsh! She couldn't help it, she's just misunderstood!

Men: Hey, we like our penises! Lock her up.
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Re: True justice?

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Oh Yes.
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Old 29.06.2013, 11:11
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Re: True justice?

at the moment, have sympathy for man. Do not know the whole story.
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Old 29.06.2013, 11:17
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Re: True justice?

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Does this really deserve a life sentence?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23108432

I know she's not likely to be in jail for the rest of her life, but is that sentence really justified in the first place? US rape laws are pretty strong so I guess a case can be made for saying this is similar, but given her health issues I would have thought 10-15 years might be more appropriate.

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This seems completely pre-meditated, and therefore from my perspective the sentence seems about right. However, we simply don't know all of the facts.
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Old 29.06.2013, 11:59
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Re: True justice?

depends what she wanted to do with the dick
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Old 29.06.2013, 12:27
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Re: True justice?

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A California woman convicted of severing her ex-husband's penis and throwing it in a kitchen waste disposal has been sentenced to life in prison.

AdrianLondon, I wouldn't necessarily say that although I can see where you're coming from. Like Wallabies, I often see claims of diminished responsibility as a way to manipulate the system, particularly in the US where I think they try it on more often.

However, the Bobbitt case resulted in a completely different verdict:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt

even under somewhat similar circumstances. Her plea was insanity though.
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Old 29.06.2013, 12:41
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Re: True justice?

This reminds me of that movie, Antichrist.

Regardless of what her husband may have done to cause her do this, I do think she deserves a very long sentence. If a man had tied up a woman and mutilated her "goodies," I think he'd deserve a life sentence. So I suppose the same should be true in this case.
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Re: True justice?

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... she has a tragic background of abuse which probably affected her judgement at the time of the crime...
The defence said that she was abused by her husband, but is it known for sure that this was the case? They might have used that defence just on her say-so.

She wouldn't be the first woman to act viciously with premeditation:

Men suffer domestic violence too / 2nd interview (7-years for GBH, "she would show off my injuries to her friends")
Katherine Knight (abused her partners, murdered/butchered/skinned/cooked final victim, life imprisonment "never to be released")
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Old 02.07.2013, 22:12
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Re: True justice?

Yes, the sentence is appropriate...because of how the U.S. system works. Life isn't always "life" in the sense you'd normally think. It's often something like 20 years, with parole eligibility after 10. So in order to get her to serve the right amount of time, they tend to over-sentence.
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Old 03.07.2013, 03:53
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Re: True justice?

A life sentence for chopping a guy's dong off? Especially one who was probably abusive? And, yes, child molesters get easy sentences and put back out on the street with early parole in spite of being very likely to reoffend....I'd be a lot happier living next to dong chopper lady than, say, a guy who likes child porn and fondling children. The fact that we have categories for said creepy guys, most of whom reoffend, makes it rather obscene that an abused woman who chops her husband's dong off gets life in prison when so few child molesters get the same.....crazy world.
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Old 03.07.2013, 06:55
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Re: True justice?

This wouldn't have been the sentence in Switzerland. Vegetation goes in the green garbage container, glass and batteries to the recycling center, PET bottles in the respective container and human body parts need to be disposed of like road kill at the slaughterhouse. If it ain't right, the stuff is left at your door.
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