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Old 14.07.2013, 09:59
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Canadians find cure for cancer? DCA

Sensationalist and dubious headline but maybe its true.

This is about DCA (Dichloroacetic acid) research done by the University of Alberta.

Here is the youtube video



Here is the wiki article

Dichloroacetic Acid

From what I can gather the current trials are being funded by the canadian taxpayer and not the pharma industry because of the nature of the drug (unpatentable ?) it is not profitable for pharma companies.

I'm posting this not because I have cancer or know people who have cancer but more to show when you give money to the cancer charities where does it actually go!?

The amount people give to cancer charities around the world must be in the h.u.n.d.r.e.d.s of m.i.l.l.i.o.n.s, which generally goes to pharma companies I am guessing, who would not research this cheap drug.
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Old 14.07.2013, 12:23
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Re: Canadians find cure for cancer? DCA

Maybe they should go on social network sites, they could reach millions of people and with those no's even small donations could really add up.
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Re: Canadians find cure for cancer? DCA

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The amount people give to cancer charities around the world must be in the h.u.n.d.r.e.d.s of m.i.l.l.i.o.n.s, which generally goes to pharma companies I am guessing, who would not research this cheap drug.
Certainly in Europe, most money raised by cancer charities for research goes to labs in universities and hospitals - not the pharma industry. They support thousands of PhD students and postdocs doing basic research.

I don't blame the pharma industry for not touching this - they aren't charities and will only lose money for their shareholders in pursuing it.

If you want medicines to be developed which have no financial payoff, then governments and super-charities are the only institutions with enough financial clout to overcome all the safety hurdles and tests that the public demands - so keep funding charities and stop supporting governments which cut research budgets.
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Certainly in Europe, most money raised by cancer charities for research goes to labs in universities and hospitals - not the pharma industry. They support thousands of PhD students and postdocs doing basic research.
You are right, why is this 'no profit for anyone really' research not being funded then?
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Certainly in Europe, most money raised by cancer charities for research goes to labs in universities and hospitals - not the pharma industry. They support thousands of PhD students and postdocs doing basic research.

I don't blame the pharma industry for not touching this - they aren't charities and will only lose money for their shareholders in pursuing it.

If you want medicines to be developed which have no financial payoff, then governments and super-charities are the only institutions with enough financial clout to overcome all the safety hurdles and tests that the public demands - so keep funding charities and stop supporting governments which cut research budgets.
The big thing about DCA is it is out of patent so even if a pharma were to invest in the testing and trials they would make no money as soon as they published results (ideally successful results) then all the other pharma's would jump on the band wagon without having to fund any research.

It's that nasty ethical situation of it maybe a great drug but because they can't make money out of it they won't pursue it, understandable from a financial point of view, but from a moral point of view somewhat less understandable.

For me it would be nice to see the pharma's maybe research one non-profit drug for every say 100 drugs that they can make a profit on, that way there would be some balance between profit and morals

I have the horrible feeling that CD47 may go the same way, which for people like me who have been fighting cancer on and off for the last 6 or so years is an understandable if hard pill to swallow.
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Re: Canadians find cure for cancer? DCA

I just checked DCA on Google Scholar. The first three pages are all about its toxic effects. Apparently the body converts well known liver toxins, like tri chloro ethylene (was used as dry cleaning fluid) into DCA which is the actual toxin. Hmmmm....

Of course all chemotherapy agents are highly toxic, so this information is not necessarily a showstopper. The trick is to kill the cancer cells while keeping the patient alive. As far as I can tell, it is often a thin line.
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I don't blame the pharma industry for not touching this - they aren't charities and will only lose money for their shareholders in pursuing it.
In april 2013, Pfizer (for example) reported net income (profit) of $2.75 billion.

I'm more curious that you accept that its ok for a company not to take on charitable work. I think sometimes people who dont do anything charitable themselves find it easier for others not to too. Is this where this sort of thinking comes from?
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This sounds interesting.
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