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Old 22.07.2013, 15:24
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Well you are championing something, that to me and it seems 99% of the people I am affiliated with in real life or social media, do not give a shit about and see the relevance in the points that have been made that you feel ridiculous.

95% of the people on this thread, without counting, I would guess to be 20 people. Not very much at all. So, sorry, it does not stop me in my tracks and make me go, oh yeah preserving the royals in this modern day is soooooooooooo cool and great. It's not, it is perverse when you actually sit down and think about it.

I get that experience of other threads might make you tentative, but the point in those threads is relevant here. I am not often proved wrong, and you have yet to do that.
I didn't want to get into this argument, but surely you associate with people in real life and social media who tend to think the same way that you do. I could say that 99% of the people who I associate with think just the opposite way to you.
People are always going to have different opinions about the royals, just because all your friends agree with you doesn't make your opinion the more valid one.
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Old 22.07.2013, 15:32
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The irony being that links have already been posted in this thread that tal about the revenue generated... whereas Caviar provided naught but his own fair post as evidence, and im not sure what credentials Caviar has that warrants us taking his word for it.

Here's another one from a reputable site supporting revenue generation http://brandfinance.com/knowledge_ce...m-contribution



To say that the royal family generate no tourism revenue, and provide no incentive to visit one of the worlds oldest and most prestigious monarchies is just simply ridiculous.
100% true what you wrote. No debate. It just doesn't quite answer the point I was making - the Royal sites clearly attract visitors, but there doesn't seem any data to show that they would stop visiting if they weren't current residences
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Old 22.07.2013, 15:34
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Just to clarify something, when tourists come over, do they see the royals?

If the royal family was disbanded, do the sites you list vanish in mid air or become less attractive to visit as a tourist?
Of course, they do when they come over for Trooping the Colour, Royal Ascot or the Jubilee celebrations last year. And don't forget you wouldn't have the pomp and ceremony of things like Trooping the Colour if you didn't have a monarch. And yes, places like Buckingham Palace would lose some of its tourism appeal if the monarchy was abolished. Not immediately of course, but I think it would diminished somewhat over time. And that's making the assumption that the government even keeps the place open. After all, if the monarchy is gone, then all the royal residences in London would be up for grabs for redevelopment.
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Old 22.07.2013, 15:38
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Re: Kate (the Duchess of Cambridge) has gone into labour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10794577

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Overseas tourists spent more than 500m visiting attractions associated with the history of the Royal family last year, a report by VisitBritain found.....Of 25,000 potential foreign visitors surveyed by VisitBritain, 60% said they would like to see places associated with the Royal Family and several others said they would send home a postcard of the Queen.
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Old 22.07.2013, 15:43
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Overseas tourists spent more than 500m visiting attractions associated with the history of the Royal family last year, a report by VisitBritain found.
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100% true what you wrote. No debate. It just doesn't quite answer the point I was making - the Royal sites clearly attract visitors, but there doesn't seem any data to show that they would stop visiting if they weren't current residences
No-one said they would stop visiting. Why would people stop visiting historic royal sites? I don't think anyone suggested otherwise.

The open question was over you saying that having a live and undoubtedly ultra world-famous monarchy does absolutely nothing to encourage monarch-related tourism, which just doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever whichever way you look at it.
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Old 22.07.2013, 15:59
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The open question was over you saying that having a live monarchy does absolutely nothing to encourage monarch-related tourism, which just doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever.
I was saying that I had never seen any data proving that people would stop coming to the UK if there was no current monarchy.

That was about an hour ago

I still haven't.
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After all, if the monarchy is gone, then all the royal residences in London would be up for grabs for redevelopment.
Not at all.
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Old 22.07.2013, 16:06
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Re: Kate (the Duchess of Cambridge) has gone into labour.

So typical of EF that y'all have to start an argument over something as nice as having a baby. Sheesh! Give it a rest or transfer it to another thread or something.

I say congratulations to the royal couple and I hope all goes well. I hope it's a girl simply because English queens seem to have longer and happier reigns than the guys in general.

I think we should start a pool on what we think the baby's name is NOT going to be. Me, I don't think we are likely to see a Madison, a Mackenzie, a Hailey, a Kyle or a Jeremy.
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Old 22.07.2013, 16:07
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I was saying that I had never seen any data proving that people would stop coming to the UK if there was no current monarchy.

That was about an hour ago

I still haven't.
Actually you said that

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There is not a SINGLE piece of data to show that the current existence of the Royal Family generate any revenue at all.
But they do....through the crown estate. Forget that and think of the tourism to see a current monarchy...to me it's common sense that less people would come to the UK to see the monarchy if the monarchy didn't exist.

Ok so they still come to the country for other things. They would certainly spend less money if there was no weird souvenirs with Liz's face on it. It's also a very romantic things for all the Americans that we still have a monarchy that still signs off on laws, and that the actual queens lives in the palace etc.
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Old 22.07.2013, 16:12
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But they do....through the crown estate. Forget that and think of the tourism to see a current monarchy...to me it's common sense that less people would come to the UK to see the monarchy if the monarchy didn't exist.
Yeeeeeeeeeeahhhhh, maybe. But is the Crown Estate really a revenue generator?

I MIGHT be wrong here but saying - OK, we'll give you 6 people one billion quids worth of land (I made that up) and then you charge rent on it of GBP100 million per annum and give us back GBP20 million of tax - is that really revenue generating? I mean - if UK taxpayers owned the land, wouldn't they be GBP80 million better off?
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Old 22.07.2013, 16:14
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So typical of EF that y'all have to start an argument over something as nice as having a baby. Sheesh! Give it a rest or transfer it to another thread or something.

I say congratulations to the royal couple and I hope all goes well. I hope it's a girl simply because English queens seem to have longer and happier reigns than the guys in general.

I think we should start a pool on what we think the baby's name is NOT going to be. Me, I don't think we are likely to see a Madison, a Mackenzie, a Hailey, a Kyle or a Jeremy.
I know - somebody is dragging it WAY off topic, one of the Mods should do something about it

Anyway, I'm going to a meeting in 17 minutes, so if I time it right, I can get the last word to finally prove my point and then I can close it
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Old 22.07.2013, 16:16
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Yeeeeeeeeeeahhhhh, maybe. But is the Crown Estate really a revenue generator?

I MIGHT be wrong here but saying - OK, we'll give you 6 people one billion quids worth of land (I made that up) and then you charge rent on it of GBP100 million per annum and give us back GBP20 million of tax - is that really revenue generating? I mean - if UK taxpayers owned the land, wouldn't they be GBP80 million better off?
But they don't owe the land. It's not theirs to own. It's the monarchs. The real argument is that if they decided to give control of it back to Monarch then technically the Monarch would be in charge of financing half of the government or something like that.

Are you going to suggest repossessing rich people's land and giving it to the poor CaviarMugabe?
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Old 22.07.2013, 16:22
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Ok so they still come to the country for other things.
I think this is the point, I certainly don't dispute that having the Royal Family contributes to making Britain (well, really England I guess if we are talking about the RF) an attractive place to visit. But saying that all tourism revenue owes its existence to the Queen and her offspring seems something of a leap to me.

They no doubt contribute, but as to how much seems to me to be rather difficult to prove.

Oh and yes, the same as I would for anyone, but I hope the birth is as stress-free as these things are possible.
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Old 22.07.2013, 16:25
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I know - somebody is dragging it WAY off topic, one of the Mods should do something about it

Anyway, I'm going to a meeting in 17 minutes, so if I time it right, I can get the last word to finally prove my point and then I can close it
Then we'll have to open another when the baby is born
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Old 22.07.2013, 16:27
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I was saying that I had never seen any data proving that people would stop coming to the UK if there was no current monarchy.

That was about an hour ago

I still haven't.
I am not sure that there are going to be reliable statistics one way or the other when it comes to the monarchy and tourism, especially when you ask a very hypothetical question. It is almost a form of rhetorical trolling

However, I will rise to the bait. Anecdotally, if you look at other European countries that previously had a monarch in place (Albania, Austria, France, Greece, Finland etc.) there is less emphasis on the monarchy their and the role it played in their history when it comes to national tourism. Compare this to the recent interest in England, Belgium and the Netherlands and you would see that there continues to be plenty of media coverage of the goings on in these royal households, even if they wield limited political or real power.

Ultimately, the fact that there is such an enormous representation of the world's media outside a small hospital in West London suggests that the interest is current. Given they have all been holed up there for nearly a week and could be there for a good few days, until the royal baby is "aired" in public, then I would suggest that has been great for the local hotels etc. and continues to support their current economic benefit.

By the same extension of your implied logic, there is no data to say that the interest and media coverage wouldn't have happened if they were "former royals", but we can see how fast interest declines with former celebrities (and ultimately that is what a royal without a job would become). Bottom line, it is current, it is popular and it helps shift media content.

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Old 22.07.2013, 16:30
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Then we'll have to open another when the baby is born
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Not much interest in this is there?

A few people gathered outside BP
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Not much interest in this is there?

A few people gathered outside BP
Don't these people have jobs!?
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