Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 22.07.2013, 19:20
Confloozed's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,794
Groaned at 136 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 4,931 Times in 2,341 Posts
Confloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond repute
Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

http://us.cnn.com/2013/07/22/world/m...gianwoman1230p

Ahh. I always see ads to come to Dubai, and then you hear about things like this. I was offered a good paying Chef job there over 10 years ago(about 120,000 US, with living expenses paid) and I spoke with 5 other cooks who also had worked and lived there.

They all said the pay was good, but that you have to spend about 24 hours a day in the hotel if you wanted to feel like you were in the West. Which, is not really feeling free at all. I decided against working there, for that, and some other reasons.

But, in this case, this woman is just excited to not be in jail for 16 months because she also drank alcohol and by way of the attacker, had "illegal sex".

They try to tell the rest of the world how modern they are, but, are they?
Reply With Quote
The following 14 users would like to thank Confloozed for this useful post:
  #2  
Old 22.07.2013, 20:11
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 9,854
Groaned at 149 Times in 131 Posts
Thanked 13,740 Times in 5,581 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
...
They try to tell the rest of the world how modern they are, but, are they?
More civilized than Saudi Arabia, but not a place I'd choose to visit. Similarly the Maldives. I prefer to holiday/live in countries with good human rights records and reasonable freedom.
Reply With Quote
The following 16 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 22.07.2013, 22:17
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,145
Groaned at 226 Times in 146 Posts
Thanked 5,099 Times in 2,635 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Its not illegal to drink alcohol. There are thousands of bars.

People rave about dubai for some reason, I think its a shit hole TBH.

Its amusing to see the locals in cars lined up along the beaches watching the western women, and nasty to see vast amounts of tissues dumped out of the cars.
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank rob1 for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 22.07.2013, 22:18
Confloozed's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,794
Groaned at 136 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 4,931 Times in 2,341 Posts
Confloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Its not illegal to drink alcohol. There are thousands of bars.

People rave about dubai for some reason, I think its a shit hole TBH.

Its amusing to see the locals in cars lined up along the beaches watching the western women, and nasty to see vast amounts of tissues dumped out of the cars.
Seriously?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 22.07.2013, 22:25
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,145
Groaned at 226 Times in 146 Posts
Thanked 5,099 Times in 2,635 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Yes. ... knocking one out whilst peering thru the gap in the limo tint windows appears to be quite popular However it could be people just blowing their nose due to the dust.:what:
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 22.07.2013, 22:29
Confloozed's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,794
Groaned at 136 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 4,931 Times in 2,341 Posts
Confloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Yes. ... knocking one out whilst peering thru the gap in the limo tint windows appears to be quite popular However it could be people just blowing their nose due to the dust.:what:
Nothing like blowing your nose on the beach. I hear that kind of activity is better at your friend's house anyways.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 22.07.2013, 22:42
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,145
Groaned at 226 Times in 146 Posts
Thanked 5,099 Times in 2,635 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

How do u know about my friends curtains?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 23.07.2013, 08:11
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 10,385
Groaned at 249 Times in 210 Posts
Thanked 18,822 Times in 6,886 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
They try to tell the rest of the world how modern they are, but, are they?
I thought the case made that pretty clear: A legal system where a woman needs 4 (!) male (!!) eye witnesses (!!!) to proof a rape is surely left in medieval times. I think it does not get any clearer what sort of mindsets you find behind those supermodern high-rise facades.

The only reason the girl got pardoned (NOT acquitted )was because she happens to be European and decided to go the full fletched publicity route - she simply became an embarrassing case for the Arabs and was on each and every front page of her country for days.

A woman going into the offensive instead of being silenced of shame was apparently not something they could deal with. What a brave step for a 24 yr old. Her employer has in the meantime fired her based on culturally unacceptable behaviour... but I assume she would not want to stay and work in that country anyhow...
Reply With Quote
The following 10 users would like to thank Treverus for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 23.07.2013, 09:58
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: north
Posts: 6,145
Groaned at 226 Times in 146 Posts
Thanked 5,099 Times in 2,635 Posts
rob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond reputerob1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

The employer is the husband of janet Jackson. They say she was fired as she didnt want to engage in "constructive discussion regarding her future"
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:06
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: St Gallen Kanton
Posts: 929
Groaned at 224 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 1,920 Times in 877 Posts
J2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Thats amusing...
If someone falls foul of a strange law in Switzerland, people on the forum immediately jump on them and bring the 'well, that how it is, if you dont like it, leave' nonsense.

But if someone falls foul of the law somehwere else (no matter how stupid the law might be), then its the law thats to blame.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank J2488 for this useful post:
The following 10 users groan at J2488 for this post:
  #11  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:12
Corbets's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zug, CH
Posts: 3,178
Groaned at 167 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 6,275 Times in 2,117 Posts
Corbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Thats amusing...
If someone falls foul of a strange law in Switzerland, people on the forum immediately jump on them and bring the 'well, that how it is, if you dont like it, leave' nonsense.

But if someone falls foul of the law somehwere else (no matter how stupid the law might be), then its the law thats to blame.
I think there's a pretty clear difference between "the laws are different here" and "the law makes being the victim of a crime a crime itself".
Reply With Quote
The following 13 users would like to thank Corbets for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:16
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 6,370
Groaned at 221 Times in 172 Posts
Thanked 7,885 Times in 4,258 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Thats amusing...
If someone falls foul of a strange law in Switzerland, people on the forum immediately jump on them and bring the 'well, that how it is, if you dont like it, leave' nonsense.

But if someone falls foul of the law somehwere else (no matter how stupid the law might be), then its the law thats to blame.
Strange laws in Switzerland? You mean like one that would require a woman to have 4 male witnesses in order to prove a rape, something along the line?
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:17
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: St Gallen Kanton
Posts: 929
Groaned at 224 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 1,920 Times in 877 Posts
J2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
I think there's a pretty clear difference between "the laws are different here" and "the law makes being the victim of a crime a crime itself".
Oh, no doubt. Im not doubting the ridiculousness of the law that made her a criminal. Just noting people reactions.

I do wonder though, if an emirati was on this forum and said 'well, those are our laws. They've been around for generations...if you dont like it, leave the UAE' how many groans they'd get?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:19
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: St Gallen Kanton
Posts: 929
Groaned at 224 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 1,920 Times in 877 Posts
J2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Strange laws in Switzerland? You mean like one that would require a woman to have 4 male witnesses in order to prove a rape, something along the line?
Missing my point completely. Well done.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:24
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 6,370
Groaned at 221 Times in 172 Posts
Thanked 7,885 Times in 4,258 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Missing my point completely. Well done.
Comparing apples with oranges (and that is an euphemism, by the way) didn't make any favor to your "point", whatever that was.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:30
Confloozed's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,794
Groaned at 136 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 4,931 Times in 2,341 Posts
Confloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond reputeConfloozed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Missing my point completely. Well done.
I understand your point. But, considering the severity of this, is it really the place to be making it? People do complain about a Swiss flag with white sheep kicking black sheep off it as SVP propaganda. Or the banning of the Minaret laws were a huge discussion. Let alone an embarrassment. But, where a system of laws are created where a victim has only shame and penalty if they complain to a judiciary authority for help, as far as I know, is not how they work here in the CH. So not a like for like comparison.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Confloozed for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:30
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 9,854
Groaned at 149 Times in 131 Posts
Thanked 13,740 Times in 5,581 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Thats amusing...
If someone falls foul of a strange law in Switzerland, people on the forum immediately jump on them and bring the 'well, that how it is, if you dont like it, leave' nonsense.

But if someone falls foul of the law somehwere else (no matter how stupid the law might be), then its the law thats to blame.
Switzerland has civilised laws. Dubai doesn't. Unless you can demonstrate a Swiss law that is equally uncivilised law, your point doesn't hold, and your amusement is groundless.

However, I agree that if you're going to Dubai, be very aware that they have misogynistic laws and being a westerner isn't necessarily going to help. Which is why I've not intention of ever going.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:31
TidakApa's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Top of a Triangle
Posts: 3,009
Groaned at 42 Times in 33 Posts
Thanked 5,673 Times in 2,039 Posts
TidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond reputeTidakApa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
Missing my point completely. Well done.
No I think we all understood your point quite clearly.

If you support or condone Rape in anyway (legal or otherwise) it's just sick.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:37
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,217
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 586 Times in 378 Posts
axman has an excellent reputationaxman has an excellent reputationaxman has an excellent reputationaxman has an excellent reputation
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Quote:
View Post
I thought the case made that pretty clear: A legal system where a woman needs 4 (!) male (!!) eye witnesses (!!!) to proof a rape is surely left in medieval times.
...
This seems to be an abuse of what Muhammad intended. In those days pre-Muhammad (and pre-Islam), adultery means you get stoned. Then Muhammad came and tried to provide some protection for the accused, but he could not really appease the hard core people - so while he could not really do anything about the stoning part, he managed to implement the 4 witnesses thing. Like anyone would commit adultery in front of 4 witnesses (and the witnesses must witness the actual "act" itself to boot). I guess he thought it was a good idea at that time because it would be impossible to prove adultery. (I got this from watching a BBC documentary, so I may be a bit naive).

This 4 witnesses is now being abused regularly or not followed at all...
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank axman for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 23.07.2013, 10:43
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: St Gallen Kanton
Posts: 929
Groaned at 224 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 1,920 Times in 877 Posts
J2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond reputeJ2488 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Norweigan Woman Freed on her Conviction for reporting Rape

Well cosider this:

On the first page of this forum it has already been insinuated that:

-Theyre a backwards people (1)
-There's no freedom (2)
-Its a shithole (3)
-Its full of degenerates masturbating in public (4)
-The laws are stupid (depite the fact no one here understand the Emirati judicial system) (8)
-They're an uncivilised people (17).

All this based on one news story. Are these fair conclusions to make?
What if, based on a single news story, someone were to make these claims about Switzerland? Would that be fair?

Me? Yes, i dont agree with the law, but i also dont believe i have the right to insult an entire people because of the laws they choose to follow.
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank J2488 for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wafa Sultan, a Syrian woman speaks out about her religion Sbrinz International affairs/politics 0 07.01.2013 23:38
Are you turned on by rape? Phil_MCR General off-topic 8 22.08.2012 11:57
Woman getting manhandled by her husband? [with update] WhySoSerious? Other/general 195 18.02.2011 13:31
In Switzerland on a B, requirements for UK income reporting Starskee Finance/banking/taxation 10 16.09.2010 11:45


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:03.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0