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Trader Joe's drops health insurance for part time employees-Blames Obamacare

After extending health care coverage to many of its part-time employees for years, Trader Joe's has told workers who log fewer than 30 hours a week that they will need to find insurance on the Obamacare exchanges next year, according to a confidential memo from the grocer's chief executive.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3902341.html

So, a few months ago, the EF angry mob was breaking out the pitchforks and torches when a guy who owned a bunch of fast food franchises in Florida did this.

This time it's a quasi-liberal California based company that has historically been known to have one of the best benefits packages in it's industry, which included company sponsored health, dental, and vision insurance coverage.

As we move closer to implementation of this plan, it will be interesting to see how many other employers will head in the same direction, and if the Affordable Healthcare Act will actually live up to it's name, or if it should be renamed something slightly less optimistic.
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Re: Trader Joe's drops health insurance for part time employees-Blames Obamacare

Trader Joe, a California company? Think again.
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Trader Joe's was founded by Joe Coulombe and has been owned since 1979 by a German family trust established by Aldi Nord's owner Theo Albrecht.
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This time it's a quasi-liberal California based company that has historically been known to have one of the best benefits packages in it's industry, which included company sponsored health, dental, and vision insurance coverage.
The company is not Californian, but since 1979 owned by the Albrecht family, known for their ALbrecht DIscount shops... Aldi has always and in every country paid way over industry averages. Not because they are liberals, but because they recognized that loyal and competent staff is easily more productive than the savings through rock bottom pay. Aldi has therefore a famously difficult onboarding process (for cashier standards). In other words: if you are good at your job and meet their standards can you make money. If you cannot possibly earn more anywhere else in your industry are you very unlikely to leave. Part time staff is therefore clearly not the most important factor in their strategy...
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Re: Trader Joe's drops health insurance for part time employees-Blames Obamacare

Trader Joe's is a privately held chain of specialty grocery stores headquartered in Monrovia, California in Greater Los Angeles. As of May 2013, Trader Joe's had a total of 471(?) stores.[1] Approximately half of its stores are in California, with the heaviest concentration in Southern California, but the company also has locations in 30 other states and Washington, D.C..[5]

Pardon my ignorance, I guess I assumed that since the CEO graduated from USC, and the headquarters and half of the stores are in California, that I could safely call it a California based company.

In any event, The fact remains that they used to have great benefits, and now they don't.
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Re: Trader Joe's drops health insurance for part time employees-Blames Obamacare

Are there more costs involved for the employees because of this, or is it just that they will get health care from some other provider?


Edit:I see that Trader Joe's will give employees a $500 check to help cover costs in Jan. I wonder if this is a one-off deal or if they will do it every year. A lot changed in my OHs previous employer's healthcare coverage back in 2009/2010, just as we were leaving the US side of the company for the German one. fact is, health care costs keep going up and more and more companies are changing their coverages. Even better when you can blame this on an outside factor, you look less the bad guy...

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Are there more costs involved for the employees because of this, or is it just that they will get health care from some other provider?
That's really the question, isn't it? According to the article, the company is saying that dropped employees should be able to get equitable care under the affordable care act, but in the example cited, the employee was previously only paying $70.00 per month. While it doesn't specifically say in this story, that would appear top be a lot less than the numbers that have been speculated about in reference to the affordable care act.

In a somewhat related story, UPS recently announced that it was eliminating insurance coverage for employee spouses, if they were eligible for coverage elsewhere.
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Re: Trader Joe's drops health insurance for part time employees-Blames Obamacare

So should we point our pitch forks at Trader Joes or Obama?

Just because it's called "reform" doesn't mean it's been reformed at all.
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Re: Trader Joe's drops health insurance for part time employees-Blames Obamacare

I wish the US could adopt a method like they have here in Switzerland...but I doubt it is doable. Based on the US, German and Swiss systems, I think the Swiss one is the most "fair" (those are the 3 I am most familiar with having to deal with them personally)
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I wish the US could adopt a method like they have here in Switzerland...but I doubt it is doable. Based on the US, German and Swiss systems, I think the Swiss one is the most "fair" (those are the 3 I am most familiar with having to deal with them personally)
What about Canada? Instead of forcing people to buy something from a third party (which may be unconstitutional) how about giving it out for free, to everyone? We would have the money if we weren't so hell bent on spreading "democracy" in countries that don't want it.
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I wish the US could adopt a method like they have here in Switzerland...but I doubt it is doable. Based on the US, German and Swiss systems, I think the Swiss one is the most "fair" (those are the 3 I am most familiar with having to deal with them personally)
Ah, but if they were to adopt a Swiss-like system, will the employees get raises to cover the difference in cost to them or will the employers pocket the savings...
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What about Canada? Instead of forcing people to buy something from a third party (which may be unconstitutional) how about giving it out for free, to everyone? We would have the money if we weren't so hell bent on spreading "democracy" in countries that don't want it.
How are canadian taxes by comparison? It's not really "free", is it? But you're right about the waste.

I dislike that people with less than full time jobs are forced to pay more for coverage than full time workers (if that is the case), and are perhaps forced to have multiple jobs. Yeah, i know companies need to turn a profit, but if they hire more part time than full time workers to avoid paying benefits, it seems wrong. Though i saw it in the hospital where i used to work. Cheaper to hire 2 20hour workers than one 40. If it works for the employee and the business, fine.....but we don't know if the exchanges will offer the same products.

At the same time, separating benefits from employment and making benefits affordable and available to everyone is a good thing. ,I like the Swiss system because at least the basic coverage is available to everyone.
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I dislike that people with less than full time jobs are forced to pay more for coverage than full time workers (if that is the case), and are perhaps forced to have multiple jobs. Yeah, i know companies need to turn a profit, but if they hire more part time than full time workers to avoid paying benefits, it seems wrong.
But that's capitalism! You can't hate capitalism! Think of the money!

Oh, and those parasites who are jobless, or homeless, well they're not worthy of your notice, so just ignore them. Better still, give them a kick as you pass by.

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Snort. Don't give a crap about the money, it's the stuff i can buy! But it makes more sense to me that if more people can afford more stuff then there is more and better stuff! (ever listen to George Carlin on stuff?). I guess I'm a freakin socialist.
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This time it's a quasi-liberal California based company that has historically been known to have one of the best benefits packages in it's industry, which included company sponsored health, dental, and vision insurance coverage.
On the one hand it does not really bother me what happens....

But it would not surprise me that companies like the one in your example takes it as an opportunity to cut costs.
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But it would not surprise me that companies like the one in your example takes it as an opportunity to cut costs.
Or a political statement perhaps? The sheeple these days are easily influenced...

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What about Canada? Instead of forcing people to buy something from a third party (which may be unconstitutional) how about giving it out for free, to everyone? We would have the money if we weren't so hell bent on spreading "democracy" in countries that don't want it.
I've never lived in Canada, nor have I studied their system, so I don't feel like I am qualified to participate in an intelligent discussion of their health care costs. I do know that the Republicans like to scare people about waiting times and lack of care for Americans if we were to adopt such a system.

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Ah, but if they were to adopt a Swiss-like system, will the employees get raises to cover the difference in cost to them or will the employers pocket the savings...
I'm not sure. I often wonder if the whole country HAD to get health care then perhaps everyone would get decent rates, and not just the big companies who can afford to negotiate with the insurance companies. If we are able to insure our family of 5 in Switzerland for 600 CHF a month for medical and dental (at the highest deductible rate), why can't it work over there?
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Re: Trader Joe's drops health insurance for part time employees-Blames Obamacare

When a large company says it can no longer afford to provide health insurance due to Obama care you can be sure it's mostly a political statement disagreeing with their perceived loss of profits. However there a literally thousands (or more) of small business owners who HAVE to lay off employees or else they cannot survive. Capitalism, socialism, at the end of the day you cannot run a business for very long when your in the red. Whether this was an intended consequence or not has yet to be proved. According to the TFHA (tin foil hat association) Obama care is another tool to help destroy the middle class, independent business owners, entrepreneurs and to make sure that ALL business, products and services only come from big corporations. I don't really believe that, but that's how it's starting to look.
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Re: Trader Joe's drops health insurance for part time employees-Blames Obamacare

I'm going to reserve judgment until the exchanges launch on Oct. 1 (and for a short time thereafter). I personally hate that insurance is almost always tied to your job in the U.S. and that if you lose your job for whatever reason you could go bankrupt from a health emergency. In that sense, the Swiss system seems better to me.

I think when the exchanges launch some people are going to be thrilled with the rates available and others are going to be unhappy because their employer used to give them a better deal. Employers that cut loose insurance should be required to give a substantial portion of the amount they "save" directly to the employee.
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According to the TFHA (tin foil hat association) Obama care is another tool to help destroy the middle class, independent business owners, entrepreneurs and to make sure that ALL business, products and services only come from big corporations. I don't really believe that, but that's how it's starting to look.
i think the big problem is that the American people do not believe that there is any other way.

A good friend of mine from the US has lived in Ireland for many years now so he fully qualifies for all the typical EU medical benefits, but his US friends don't believe him. One even when to the hospital with him when he had an out patient visit, to make sure that people were not paying and even after seeing it he was still speculating on the chance that they were getting the bills afterwards in the post!

Another point this guy made was that although most of the colleagues on his MBA course (at an ivy league college) accumulated more wealth than he did in Ireland, they are actually afraid to spend it in case they need it to medical expenses. Where as he is enjoying retirement, without any concerns about future health care costs...
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