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There's a hell of a lot of hatred against the British in the comments to that video.

Do you feel the same?
Not at all. I don't look at it emotionally, only factually. The facts are out there - and real. It's for the Brits and their conscience.

As far as I am personally concerned, I come from a country with a large, strong growing economy, that will soon (if it hasn't already) surpass GB. 200 years of of depredation wiped out in 70 is not bad.

Also, I never read the loony comments on youtube.
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You know the Brits who were involved in the occupation of India are all dead, right?
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As far as I am personally concerned, I come from a country with a large, strong growing economy, that will soon (if it hasn't already) surpass GB. 200 years of of depredation wiped out in 70 is not bad.
And all that with in a country thatís only 14 times larger and with a population 20 times as big
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There's a hell of a lot of hatred against the British in the comments to that video.
Under the circumstances.....no wonder. Does it really surprise you? Or, even more important....do you really care?
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And all that with in a country thatís only 14 times larger and with a population 20 times as big
... that was plundered to within an inch of its life by colonial Britain, as were so many in Asia, Africa and North America. Countries don't just recover overnight from that sort of abuse.

It's extraordinary how many modern-day British are either ignorant of, or in denial about, their country's not-so-distant past.
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... that was plundered to within an inch of its life by colonial Britain, as were so many in Asia, Africa and North America. Countries don't just recover overnight from that sort of abuse.

It's extraordinary how many modern-day British are either ignorant of, or in denial about, their country's not-so-distant past.
... writes a colonial.

I'm not descended from people who stole other people's land.
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I don't believe that India was plundered within an inch of its life, it has a huge abundance of resources. In the last 50 years corruption, mismanagement of resources, over population, lack of education have contributed more to India's misery then memories of colonial rule. Its just that if the people in charge can keep attributing their current woes on colonialism it distracts attention from whats going on now like selling off mining rights to Chinese consortiums etc.

Colonialism sucked for India, but it also created an infrastructure that still benefits India to this day, although it is much neglected and decaying. Yes I am on about the Railways and bridges and roads again...
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I don't believe that India was plundered within an inch of its life, it has a huge abundance of resources. In the last 50 years corruption, mismanagement of resources, over population, lack of education have contributed more to India's misery then memories of colonial rule. Its just that if the people in charge can keep attributing their current woes on colonialism it distracts attention from whats going on now like selling off mining rights to Chinese consortiums etc.

Colonialism sucked for India, but it also created an infrastructure that still benefits India to this day, although it is much neglected and decaying. Yes I am on about the Railways and bridges and roads again...
Some Greeks still blame the Turks for everything, nearly two hundred years later!

I'm pretty sure there isn't a living Turk who can be held responsible for the Fall of Constantinople. I don't think there are even many left who can be blamed for the pogrom of 1955!
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Re: India's mission to Mars

Have to agree with Tobi here - India comes directly into at 5:49 - "Colonialism has always cost the mother country more than it derived"
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... that was plundered to within an inch of its life by colonial Britain, as were so many in Asia, Africa and North America. Countries don't just recover overnight from that sort of abuse.

It's extraordinary how many modern-day British are either ignorant of, or in denial about, their country's not-so-distant past.
Germany brought to it's knees but recovered enough to start another World War 20 years later. Then literally flattened, and then returned to being the world's 4th largest economy within 25 years. Similar story for Japan, only their rise is more impressive having gone through industrialisation on steroids. Just sayin.
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... writes a colonial.

I'm not descended from people who stole other people's land.
There's a word for that...when one in unsure of one's lineage...

The ancestors may be dead on both sides, but the progeny continue to enjoy / suffer the consequences.
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There's a word for that...when one in unsure of one's lineage...
I'm completely sure of my lineage, thank you very much. I come from a family of hardworking people who never left the British Isles. Most of them worked their entire lives in the dark, deep underground.

It's time for modern Indians to sort out their own problems without blaming people who have nothing to do with it, even by association.
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Under the circumstances.....no wonder. Does it really surprise you? Or, even more important....do you really care?
I'm not sure I care personally. As others have said, all the people involved are dead or very old.

What was done was horrific but that was the way of the world then - the British in Asia, the Belgians in the Congo, the Italians in Abyssinia, the Spanish and Portuguese in South America and others.

Even the French invaded the U.K.

I'm not sure that the British could have foreseen what actually happened at partition (which of course was Britain's doing) - that hatred by Muslims and Hindus of each other and those millions of subsequent deaths.
I still do not know why Indian's started slaughtering each other.
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I still do not know why Indian's started slaughtering each other.
Both sides felt cheated. The 'deal' was not honestly brokered. The Radcliffe line was infact drawn by Churchil's office well before Radliffe set foot in India.

As an aside, the (then) British bureaucracy actually took measurements of the 'natives' noses to decide which 'tribe' was more ape-like. Those were different times, for sure, but this i found a bit too much - to attempt to dehumanize entire ethnic groups - who are actually paying taxes to them.
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I can assure you, I was born well after 1901. There were no more colonies in Australia after 31.12.1900.

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Oh, the class argument. But you are descended from hard-working British people, no? You wouldn't argue that every German in the 1930s was a Nazi, would you? Yet it was the Germans of that era who set off on an empire-building mission.
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I can assure you, I was born well after 1901. There were no more colonies in Australia after 31.12.1900.


Oh, the class argument. But you are descended from hard-working British people, no? You wouldn't argue that every German in the 1930s was a Nazi, would you? Yet it was the Germans of that era who set off on an empire-building mission.
Funny, though, how Australians like to bang on about "British" colonialism without even the slightest hint of irony.

Like I said: my ancestors didn't colonise anywhere. I will not take responsibility or blame for actions which had nothing to do with me or mine.
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Funny, though, how Australians like to bang on about "British" colonialism without even the slightest hint of irony.

Like I said: my ancestors didn't colonise anywhere. I will not take responsibility or blame for actions which had nothing to do with me or mine.
And mine never scored a single run in international cricket, yet I'm constantly being congratulated on "my" performance against England, India, South Africa... well, I was, up until six months ago.

What am I supposed to feel abashed about when banging on about "British" colonialism? Who exactly did the "British" colonise in Australia? I can help you here. There were probably less than 750,000 Aborigines in Australia at the time of the "British" colonists' arrival, many of them way beyond the sphere of "British" influence in the west, south and south-east. That includes the Tasmanian Aborigines, whom the "British" managed to exterminate in fairly short order. The people being colonised were in reality the political prisoners and assorted common criminals who were transported to Australia.

Compare that set-up to the "British" colonisation of India. At the start of the British Raj, there were almost 300 million people living in India, being ruled -- in absolute terms -- by about 120,000 "British" colonists (two thirds of whom were military).

See the difference? Nope, I don't get the need for irony.

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There's a word for that...when one in unsure of one's lineage...
And we all know how important lineage is to Indians both in and outside of India.

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There's a word for that...when one in unsure of one's lineage...

The ancestors may be dead on both sides, but the progeny continue to enjoy / suffer the consequences.
As an aside, when you refer to the enjoyment, the UK (personally thinking of London in the 90s) would not culturally be what it is today without India and its people. I know many, like the windrush folks, arrived in poverty and maybe had little choice other than to emigrate, but they brought with them a richness of society, family values, love of food and, in my mind, changed London for the better.

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