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Yes, but you don't have hundreds of millions and access to the best medical care a person can have, do you?
Neither of which will make me better if it's physically impossible. Even if I could afford a medical team of 15 to look after me 24/7 for the rest of my life, living with only a vague awareness of what's happening around me, not able to speak, having to be spoon fed, washed, etc, isn't my idea of a life, sorry. If that's the best it's going to be then let me go and let my millions help others who can be helped.
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Neither of which will make me better if it's physically impossible. Even if I could afford a medical team of 15 to look after me 24/7 for the rest of my life, living with only a vague awareness of what's happening around me, not able to speak, having to be spoon fed, washed, etc, isn't my idea of a life, sorry. If that's the best it's going to be then let me go and let my millions help others who can be helped.
You have absolutely no clue if he is going to get better or not over the course of the next years, you are purely speculating thus your argument is pretty much void other than giving us an uninteresting dialogue on how you want to be treated when you personally turn into a vegetable. Which, by the way, no-one particularly cares about.
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Re: Michael Schumacher 'Seriously Injured'

All I wanted to say, is that I hope HE AND HE ALONE, can make the decision about what he wants or not for the future. Not me, not you, and not even his family. No speculation at all. Although he has not 'just come out of coma' - that was in June 2014- nearly 1 year ago, and there has been very very little progress is any. He can't move, can't sit, can't feed himself, can't wash, can't do anything for himself. Can't speak either, and just has tears coming down his face when he recognises a voice. What life is that? But again, it is not up to me to make that call- all I am saying, is that I hope HE can make the CHOICE... and not have the choice imposed on him.

17 months after his injuries, and 1 year after he came out of coma- the chances of recovery would indeed require a massive miracle, poor, poor man - the amount of money available makes little difference here- in fact, one could say that that money could prolong the agony. Are you medically qualified? Just happen to have 3 doctors here today- and we just discussed this- all 3, 1 a neurologist, said his chances of significant improvement are incredibly poor after all this time.

You obviously would prefer to live as a vegetable (horrible word- but as you used it...) to the alternative. I truly would NOT- each to their own- same for Michael, I hope. And in Switzerland, that choice is possible, and I am so thankful for that.

Just shows how important to discuss such issues wiht your loved ones and doctor when you are still young and fit- so they have a very good idea of what would, or would not, be acceptable in the way of quality of life for you. OH and kids know that after 1 year of vegetability- I would want out as quickly as possible. My choice- your choice- his choice- I hope.
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Re: Michael Schumacher 'Seriously Injured'

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All I wanted to say, is that I hope HE AND HE ALONE, can make the decision about what he wants or not for the future. Not me, not you, and not even his family. No speculation at all. Although he has not 'just come out of coma' - that was in June 2014- nearly 1 year ago, and there has been very very little progress is any. He can't move, can't sit, can't feed himself, can't wash, can't do anything for himself. Can't speak either, and just has tears coming down his face when he recognises a voice. What life is that? But again, it is not up to me to make that call- all I am saying, is that I hope HE can make the CHOICE... and not have the choice imposed on him.

17 months after his injuries, and 1 year after he came out of coma- the chances of recovery would indeed require a massive miracle, poor, poor man - the amount of money available makes little difference here- in fact, one could say that that money could prolong the agony. Are you medically qualified? Just happen to have 3 doctors here today- and we just discussed this- all 3, 1 a neurologist, said his chances of significant improvement are incredibly poor after all this time.

You obviously would prefer to live as a vegetable (horrible word- but as you used it...) to the alternative. I truly would NOT- each to their own- same for Michael, I hope. And in Switzerland, that choice is possible, and I am so thankful for that.

Just shows how important to discuss such issues wiht your loved ones and doctor when you are still young and fit- so they have a very good idea of what would, or would not, be acceptable in the way of quality of life for you. OH and kids know that after 1 year of vegetability- I would want out as quickly as possible. My choice- your choice- his choice- I hope.
He is crying because he IS now recognising voices of his loved ones... that's called progress. I realise your medical knowledge could be written on the back of a rice crispie, but recovering from head trauma that severe, if possible, DOES take years. The body has to heal and repair itself as much as it can, and with the brain it is a slow, delicate and complicated process vs any other organ, so one year down the line is still very early.

As for saying "you obviously would prefer live as a vegetable"... words fail me at how mind-bogglingly dim that statement is. I am simply stating that it is far too early for him to give up on life when he, his family and his medical staff don't even fully know how much he can yet recover.
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Old 24.05.2015, 17:11
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You have absolutely no clue if he is going to get better or not over the course of the next years, you are purely speculating thus your argument is pretty much void other than giving us an uninteresting dialogue on how you want to be treated when you personally turn into a vegetable. Which, by the way, no-one particularly cares about.
Neither do you so your argument that he isn't at "that stage yet" is also void. We don't know his wishes on the matter so all we're both doing is spectulating. Odlie was simply pointing out that she hopes he does have plans in place and that he's aware enough to make his wishes known to his family.
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Neither do you so your argument that he isn't at "that stage yet" is also void. We don't know his wishes on the matter so all we're both doing is spectulating. Odlie was simply pointing out that she hopes he does have plans in place and that he's aware enough to make his wishes known to his family.
My argument isn't void at all, it is simple logic that at this early stage of his recovery, with his prognosis unsure, surrounded by his family and with access to the worlds best round the clock medical care, that he very likely isn't yet thinking about ending his own life.
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Re: Michael Schumacher 'Seriously Injured'

Sometimes after even many years people make amazing recoveries.

When I was working, I met a lady who had had, some years before, a brain aneurism.
She was in a coma and her family were forced to put her in a nursing home. After three years she woke up, and when I met her she was living a perfectly normal life, walking, talking, everything.

I know that her circumstances and Michael Schumacher's are completely different, but I just wanted to show how sometimes you cannot give up on a person recovering.

I actually googled her name because she was a bit of a celebrity in her home town of Bolton and found this.. a listing for a radio programme about her on BBC Radio 4 in 1997.



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Michael O'Donnell presents four portraits of contemporary family life. 2: The Skiffingtons of Bolton. After a brain aneurism, Christine Skiffington spent three years in a deep coma.
The hospital gave the family no hope of her recovering until one night, as husband Dennis was praying at her bedside, Christine started to join in. Producers Sue Foster and Joanna Rahim Repeated Saturday 5pm
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You really do write some crap, there is no indication that he is anywhere near that stage.
Yeah, but the point is that, in all honesty, there's no indication at all as to his actual condition, apart from the fact that he's alive, other than the progress reports that we get that simply say he's making progress. However those reports fail to quantify said progress.

Truth is, is that if he was making significant progress then we would all know about it. He's obviously not, and therefore what Odile wrote is a perfectly valid point.
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Re: Michael Schumacher 'Seriously Injured'

I will not pretend to know Michael Schumacher nor his condition - however - in his career he was success focused. He was one of the first F1 driver's to really take care of his physical being in order to perform at the top of his game, very committed and driven. He was/is a winner, a champion - and I think that type of a person is a fighter until the end, not someone to give up, especially when they see improvement in the condition, no matter how small, how slow. The brain is an organ that is so complex and so little is known about, that it is really hard to evaluate the "correct" course of action, which obviously for each of us is a personal and private matter.
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Yeah, but the point is that, in all honesty, there's no indication at all as to his actual condition, apart from the fact that he's alive, other than the progress reports that we get that simply say he's making progress. However those reports fail to quantify said progress.

Truth is, is that if he was making significant progress then we would all know about it. He's obviously not, and therefore what Odile wrote is a perfectly valid point.
It will be a valid point in a few years if no further improvement has been made and no hope exists.
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Re: Michael Schumacher 'Seriously Injured'

The brain has a lot of redundancy.
But it takes time (and luck) to activate that redundancy.
So, we don't really know anything until we get some hard facts. And after that unfortunate REGA incident, his patient record is now probably a very closely guarded secret.
I do hope that he's actually able to eat from a spoon.
A stomach tube over a long time is not funny and prone to be the source of other complications.

While the circumstances are very sad, I'm sort of amazed at how his wife seemingly throws everything she has at this problem.
Because, let's not kid ourselves: he was a professional F1-driver. He had to have a patients' provision.
I hope, the family has decent medical advisers they trust in.
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While the circumstances are very sad, I'm sort of amazed at how his wife seemingly throws everything she has at this problem.
Why would you be amazed at that?
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Yes, but you don't have hundreds of millions and access to the best medical care a person can have, do you?

Speculation on if he wants to commit suicide or not, when he has only recently come out of a coma and his progression is as yet uncertain, is just plain ridiculous. He is a formula 1 champion who retired as a champion and then came back as a champion, and he will undoubtedly want to fight to live until no other option remains.

I hope that he will recover enough to move and speak again, and then he will write a book or two or three, Bestsellers between Lugano and Hamburg
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Re: Michael Schumacher 'Seriously Injured'

There have been reports in the UK press, shared from German magazine Bunte, that Michael Schumacher has been walking with some assistance.

His management have denied the claim. I wonder if someone heard something like 'small steps in his recovery' and took that to mean walking.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ne-claims.html
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An "unnamed confidante" is unlikely to mistake small steps to recovery unless he/she has drunk too much in the run-up to Christmas. I just think his management team are trying to keep him secluded as much as possible until he recovers as far as he's able to.
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An "unnamed confidante" is unlikely to mistake small steps to recovery unless he/she has drunk too much in the run-up to Christmas. I just think his management team are trying to keep him secluded as much as possible until he recovers as far as he's able to.
After two years his body, and the doctors, will have repaired as much damage as they're able to. While I hope for a miracle its unlikely to happen, sadly.
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Re: Michael Schumacher 'Seriously Injured'

Sounds like a miracle isn't going to happen.

"F1 great Michael Schumacher's former boss at Ferrari has said the latest news about the German's health "is not good" - but has refused to elaborate.

"I have news and unfortunately it is not good," Luca di Montezemolo told reporters on Thursday."

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There have been reports in the UK press, shared from German magazine Bunte, that Michael Schumacher has been walking with some assistance.

His management have denied the claim. I wonder if someone heard something like 'small steps in his recovery' and took that to mean walking.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ne-claims.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...k-bunte-lawyer

"Michael Schumacher’s lawyer denies magazine’s claims: ‘He cannot walk’"
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Re: Michael Schumacher 'Seriously Injured'

Michael Schumacher could move to America

http://en.f1i.com/news/280320-michae...e-america.html
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"Michael Schumacher was cared for at the Georges Pompidou European Hospital in Paris for "treatment in the greatest secrecy," according to Le Parisien. Contacted by AFP, Public Assistance - Hospitals of Paris (AP-HP) has "neither confirmed nor denied" information that "falls under medical secrecy."

No reaction could have been obtained from the entourage of the former 50-year-old pilot. According to information from the French daily, Schumacher was welcomed into the continuous monitoring unit of the Cardiovascular Surgery Department of Professor Philippe Menasché, "a pioneer in cell therapy to treat heart failure".

He "benefits from infusions of stem cells that are distributed in the body to obtain a systemic anti-inflammatory action, that is to say throughout the body," believes Le Parisien.

"The treatment should start this Tuesday morning, the patient must leave the hospital in principle Wednesday," says the newspaper, according to which the German "would have made at least two passages at the Georges Pompidou European Hospital, last spring."

Schumacher has not been seen in public since he was injured in the head in a ski accident on December 29, 2013 in Méribel. Virtually no information has since filtered about his state of health."

https://www.bluewin.ch/fr/sport/f1-m...is-296922.html
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