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15.02.2022, 12:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | This is further ramping up the pressure on Ukraine as it leaves them a door for the future when they can come and say "look, the Ukrainians are trying to wipe out the independent republics, we need to send a peace-keeping force to protect the innocent population!".
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15.02.2022, 13:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Someone here a few pages ago said something like "if you don't believe there is US propaganda as well, you are insane".
Well, turns out there is US propaganda and it sounds like is was scripted in the Kremlin. Have a look, this is Tucker Carlson (and some obscure other guy) telling you how things really are. https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/stat...SKdRiilg&s=190
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15.02.2022, 13:42
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Hahahaha, this is brilliant! Only recently Trump and Tucker Carlson were best friends with Zelensky and now he's a dictator
But then again, we're talking about Fox News where the truth and facts are irrelevant
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15.02.2022, 13:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Hahahaha, this is brilliant! Only recently Trump and Tucker Carlson were best friends with Zelensky and now he's a dictator
But then again, we're talking about Fox News where the truth and facts are irrelevant | | | | | Zelensky is too stupid to be a dictator, however he is definitely a kremlin's puppet
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15.02.2022, 13:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Someone here a few pages ago said something like "if you don't believe there is US propaganda as well, you are insane.
Well, turns out there is US propaganda and it sounds like is was scripted in the Kremlin. Have a look, this is Tucker Carlson (and some obscure guy of a alt-right think tank) telling you how things really are. https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/stat...SKdRiilg&s=190 | | | | | Interesting.....the guy Tucker had on I found to be....rather weird. But just out of curiosity how do you define his think tank to be "alt-right"? I had to look it up and its definitely obscure and right leaning.....but what makes it alt-right?
According to Wikipedia, far right refers to far-right white nationalism. It's not just right wing thoughts you disagree with.
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15.02.2022, 13:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Interesting.....the guy Tucker had on I found to be....rather weird. But just out of curiosity how do you define his think tank to be "alt-right"? I had to look it up and its definitely obscure and right leaning.....but what makes it alt-right?
According to Wikipedia, far right refers to far-right white nationalism. It's not just right wing thoughts you disagree with. | | | | | You are right. I looked the guy up and had changed my post already. No alt-right, just some random weirdo.
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15.02.2022, 14:57
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Not sure what the problem with that is? Recognizing independence does not violate the international law. | Quote: | |  | | | This is further ramping up the pressure on Ukraine as it leaves them a door for the future when they can come and say "look, the Ukrainians are trying to wipe out the independent republics, we need to send a peace-keeping force to protect the innocent population!". | | | | | Deja vu | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
15.02.2022, 15:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Not sure what the problem with that is? Recognizing independence does not violate the international law. | | | | | Sure, professor.
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15.02.2022, 15:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Not sure what the problem with that is? Recognizing independence does not violate the international law. | | | | | Your hobby is to be consistently wrong in this thread isn't it?
In 2014 Russia signed the Minsk Protocol without recognition of any status of DPR and LPR and thus, recognizing it now would imply that it is Russia who is breaching internationally signed agreements.
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15.02.2022, 17:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | however he is definitely a kremlin's puppet | | | | | Why?
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15.02.2022, 19:15
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Your hobby is to be consistently wrong in this thread isn't it? 
In 2014 Russia signed the Minsk Protocol without recognition of any status of DPR and LPR and thus, recognizing it now would imply that it is Russia who is breaching internationally signed agreements. | | | | | Do I need to remind you of 1975 Helsinki Act and the list of countries that consistently continue to violate it?
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15.02.2022, 19:18
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Sure, professor. | | | | | Perhaps you can check with ICJ and their opinion on Kosovo independence.
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15.02.2022, 19:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Do I need to remind you of 1975 Helsinki Act and the list of countries that consistently continue to violate it? | | | | | Yes. Russia violates it on a regular basis. But then again, if you knew what you're talking about you would have known that the Helsinki Act was non-binding.
You're wrong again, at least you're consistent | This user groans at gaburko for this post: | | 
15.02.2022, 20:10
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yes. Russia violates it on a regular basis. But then again, if you knew what you're talking about you would have known that the Helsinki Act was non-binding.
You're wrong again, at least you're consistent  | | | | | Neither is Minsk agreement binding.
(so you are an expert in legal as well, not only gas sector?)
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15.02.2022, 20:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Neither is Minsk agreement binding.
(so you are an expert in legal as well, not only gas sector?) | | | | | You're wrong. The Minsk protocol is binding. It is ineffective (mainly because of Russia), but it is binding.
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15.02.2022, 21:03
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | You're wrong. The Minsk protocol is binding. It is ineffective (mainly because of Russia), but it is binding. | | | | | I see. Gas/legal 'expert' talks again. https://uacrisis.org/en/minsk-agreements Minsk agreements are a political accord and are not binding
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15.02.2022, 21:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I see. Gas/legal 'expert' talks again.
| | | | | You're cute, I am starting to like you. Read your own link again and this time maybe pay attention. "...the Russian side insists that the Minsk agreements are a “law” and an international legal act that is binding, so that its paragraphs cannot be revised..." | The following 2 users would like to thank gaburko for this useful post: | | 
15.02.2022, 23:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Whatever the outcome of this crisis is going to be: It feels to me like Ukraine as a nation and a country is gaining a lot of respect in Western Europe that was not there before. Let's be honest, many of us saw Ukraine as somewhat a "semi-Russian" country, we knew not much about it and did not see it as "European". I feel this is changing, and rightly so.
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16.02.2022, 00:33
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | You're cute, I am starting to like you. Read your own link again and this time maybe pay attention. "...the Russian side insists that the Minsk agreements are a “law” and an international legal act that is binding, so that its paragraphs cannot be revised..." | | | | | I knew you gonna fall for it. So make up your mind - is it binding because Russians are insisting that it is binding?
But then - how exactly they are going to violate something that they insist is binding?
Cute you say - yes you are, with the logic og a cute five year old.
(but five year olds don't claim to be neither legal nor gas experts). | Quote: | |  | | | Whatever the outcome of this crisis is going to be: It feels to me like Ukraine as a nation and a country is gaining a lot of respect in Western Europe that was not there before. Let's be honest, many of us saw Ukraine as somewhat a "semi-Russian" country, we knew not much about it and did not see it as "European". I feel this is changing, and rightly so. | | | | | what exactly is wrong with being seen as Russian? Or British? Or French? or American?... for all that matters?
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16.02.2022, 06:42
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | |
But then - how exactly they are going to violate something that they insist is binding?
| | | | | The Russians are violating it by supporting the separatists with resources incl. arming them and now they are also about to violate it by recognizing their independence.
As I said earlier, an invasion looks less and less likely and yet the pressure on Ukraine will continue
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