Not in Crimea. Only in LPR/DPR. That doesn't look good at all.

I wonder, why do these people think that Ukrainians are so dumb to vote for a puppet candidate from a country that started military aggression against them. There is indeed a minority that still considers Russia "brothers" and watches Russian channels, but there not that many of them to make a pro-Russian candidate a President.

If we talk about the last elections the candidate that won, Zelenskiy is much less anti-Russian than Poroshenko. If USA influenced the election so much they would have make Poroshenko a President again.

Actually this would be the best outcome:
Ukraine attacks Donbas and Krim. Russia creams Ukraine...!
NATO get‘s a „get out of jail free“ card in relation to commitment to Ukraine.
Russia get‘s what it wants: Krim and Donbas, Ukraine membership to nato gets kicked a decade or two up the line.
Ukraine get‘s oodles of monies to „help“ over the loss.
Everybody wins.

The best outcome is no war whatsoever, call Putin's bluff by committing NATO to accept Ukraine if Russia invades and shower Russia with sanctions to turn it into an economic desert. Putin only speaks real-politik, time for NATO/EU to understand that he's thinking 19th-20th century armed politics, not 21st.

And yet, we both know neither scenario is likely

Realpolitics is what Putin understands, that much is correct, however I think you have it the other way round, Putin is very much 21st Century, in my opinion it‘s the US (NATO) who is stuck in the 20th and 19th Century and Putin is Running rings around them.

Separatists are laying mines in Stirol factory in DPR around the containers with ammonia. If it explodes it can cause environmental catastrophe in the region. The Russian propaganda spreads rumours that Ukrainian military forces want to blow up the factory. A car was blown up near the "governmental" institution in the center of Donetsk. It seems that Russia has started to act.

Last time NATO invaded an innocent democratic country was when?

Do you understand that you are talking about an event in which tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people die?

I am, yes. But tell me, when has that ever stopped the military mind and bellicose politicians?

And this is precisely why NATO intervenes only as a last resort, unlike Putin who threatens left right and center because he still believes Russia is a global superpower which it of course isn't and he gets erectile problems if he doesn't see a Russian tank threatening someone

This is unlikely to happen. Not, because interests of the USA are not exactly aligned with interests of some European countries, as a headline in WSJ put it: "Is Germany a Reliable American Ally? Nein".

Read the last sentence of the post you quoted

You started your message that Ukraine attacks Crimea and Donbass. There is no "military mind and bellicose politicians" in Ukrainian government. Basically, what you wrote was that the best scenario is that Ukraine exchanges lives of their people for money. I wonder how a normal person can write this unless they are are a Russian troll whose mission on the forum is to spread misinformation about Ukraine, which was already a lot on the previous pages.

I think you are asking the wrong question, it should be: "Is America a reliable German ally?"

Ukraine is, like it or not, just a pawn in the great game between America and Russia. And exchange lives for money... is just a question of how much.

Russia already got “Krim” years ago, why would it want to get it again? Suggesting that Ukraine attacking anything as being the best outcome is unbelievable.

Putin's possible endgames in Ukraine

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/18/p...ers/index.html

Good read, whether you agree or not. The long term implications for European security are quite interesting.

and Krim?
what are you smoking?
so many questions

they will rather be shelled by russia-backed terrorists or will go by circles for a TV show..or both

Just that this 'minority' used to be the majority that elected Yanukovich. And that majority surely wasn't happy with the aggressors that removed their elected president. Well c'est la vie.. those who orchestrated Maidan certainly got what they deserve (and are still going to get it...).

While US propaganda does not spread rumours of invasion every day? At least make up a schedule - so that Zakharova can plan her holidays.


Well, if I got to choose, I would rather be a Russian than NATO troll anytime.