I meant comment from TinyK. I understand though that everyone is emotional at the moment, I am very upset as well.

The best solution would to establish a confederation à la suisse comprising Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan and possibly Georgia.

I wouldn't worry about it to much. Europe probably has more people willing to fight for ISIS than they do for Ukraine / EU values.

Then please edit your quote to take out greenmount and add the right person, because I also read your post and thought "what on earth is she talking about". Check your posts before you click the submit button.

It's all right. I know you are upset, so is TinyK. In a way this thread is a good opportunity for venting our grievances, what happens now is really sad and we're all shocked because we never really believed is going to happen. Till it happened.
But thanks for reminding me to pay more attention to words, it is always good to double check and be more thoughtful even here, because this is a place where many people established some sort of connection and are looking for a genuine debate, even if it's just the internet.

Greenmount commented to TinyK and said that TinyK’s comment will be ignored. I answered Greenmount and said that I thought the comment was too much. We clarified this.

The quote is still very unclear and obviously looks to anyone reading like you are criticizing greenmounts post.

Here is a list of states where the Russian interests were addressed: Belarus, Kazakhstan and its neighbouring -stans, Chechnya, Armenia.
There is a certain unifying trait common to all these countries and it is easy to spot.
What makes one believe that if the now NATO-member countries were still in the "Russian sphere of influence", that they wouldn't be a Russian-aligned autocracies with impoverished populations, desolate kleptocratic economies and brutal security services assuring their subjection?

Thank you for stating the cynical truth - lets Russia subdue its own people and the other people we don't care about, but let's keep peace at home and
the economy running.

If the West Europe politicians walked anywhere close to do what they preach, massive war-like sanctions would have been already enacted weeks ago when it became clear Russia is preparing a full scale invasion. And not just sanctions on Russia, but on China as well, because Russia would never dare empty out its Far East garrisons from soldiers and equipment if not reassured by China. But that would mean a new cold war.

I think for Ukrainians only a quick surrender computes for obvious reasons - they do not face a genocide (except for the political activists) and they have no chances.

The West has lost its only opportunity to either deter or bleed out Russia by supplying arms to Ukraine, because Russia wants the Ukraine whole, people and land, and they would not use their tactical nukes there - either invasion or annihilation. But now imagine a neighbouring state sends troops and equipment - what do you think could happen?

Fine, corrected

Germany has EU partners? You live in a dream world


In Eastern Europe, Germany mostly has EU slaves



Anyway, when looking East (EEMEA), Germany (an export oriented country) is mostly interested by the following countries: Poland, Russia, Turkey, Iran and to a lesser degree the Czech Republic and Saudi Arabia.

Leonie, Chuff: Everything is clear now, let's not start our own World War 3 here..

Edit: I am surprised I can even make jokes about it...

a lot of shit float up these days with a few posts, suggesting what to do for ukrainians

Don't feed the trolls.

It is a transparent scheme and old pattern on public fora.

If you ignore them, they might vanish and try to sell trolling somewhere else, "we're all stocked up here".

No it isn't, it still says the same thing.

I wonder whose alternate account this is.

Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation.

russian people let the monster grown up. its their responsibility

its rather reminder for mods to do the job

I already reported the most recent one.

Report it, don't engage.

Russian people, Ukrainians and Belarusians are pretty much the same people with very minor differences. There are far more similarities between these three than between Swiss Germans, Romands and Swiss Italians...


That's why the idea of a Confederation (see my previous post) is the only realistic solution. Anything else will lead to war and don't count on the Americans, British, Germans, Italians and French to go fight for Ukraine.

Meanwhile Switzerland will not even join the EU/US sanctions agains Russia.
Die Schweiz verzichtet auf Sanktionen gegen Russland
Unfortunate. Slammer should be happy.