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24.02.2022, 08:52
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I didn't mean Russian people. Are you serious? I meant Putin and his circle, do you think there's anyone here who doesn't feel sorry for both Russians who have no say in all of these and Ukrainians? | | | | | I meant comment from TinyK. I understand though that everyone is emotional at the moment, I am very upset as well.
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24.02.2022, 08:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The best solution would to establish a confederation à la suisse comprising Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan and possibly Georgia.
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24.02.2022, 08:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | One needs to be careful here. Unless you hold a Ukraine passport, you'd be classed a mercinary which may be illegal in your home country. | | | | | I wouldn't worry about it to much. Europe probably has more people willing to fight for ISIS than they do for Ukraine / EU values.
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24.02.2022, 08:58
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I meant comment from TinyK. I understand though that everyone is emotional at the moment, I am very upset as well. | | | | | Then please edit your quote to take out greenmount and add the right person, because I also read your post and thought "what on earth is she talking about". Check your posts before you click the submit button.
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24.02.2022, 09:04
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I meant comment from TinyK. I understand though that everyone is emotional at the moment, I am very upset as well. | | | | | It's all right. I know you are upset, so is TinyK. In a way this thread is a good opportunity for venting our grievances, what happens now is really sad and we're all shocked because we never really believed is going to happen. Till it happened.
But thanks for reminding me to pay more attention to words, it is always good to double check and be more thoughtful even here, because this is a place where many people established some sort of connection and are looking for a genuine debate, even if it's just the internet.
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24.02.2022, 09:04
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Then please edit your quote to take out greenmount and add the right person, because I also read your post and thought "what on earth is she talking about". Check your posts before you click the submit button. | | | | | Greenmount commented to TinyK and said that TinyK’s comment will be ignored. I answered Greenmount and said that I thought the comment was too much. We clarified this.
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24.02.2022, 09:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Greenmount commented to TinyK and said that TinyK’s comment will be ignored. I answered Greenmount and said that I thought the comment was too much. We clarified this. | | | | | The quote is still very unclear and obviously looks to anyone reading like you are criticizing greenmounts post.
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24.02.2022, 09:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | But in this world where Realpolitik dictates how things pan out, there is no nato expansion eastwards without addressing Russian interests. And this did not happen, the result is now an invasion of Ukraine. | | | | | Here is a list of states where the Russian interests were addressed: Belarus, Kazakhstan and its neighbouring -stans, Chechnya, Armenia.
There is a certain unifying trait common to all these countries and it is easy to spot.
What makes one believe that if the now NATO-member countries were still in the "Russian sphere of influence", that they wouldn't be a Russian-aligned autocracies with impoverished populations, desolate kleptocratic economies and brutal security services assuring their subjection?
Thank you for stating the cynical truth - lets Russia subdue its own people and the other people we don't care about, but let's keep peace at home and
the economy running.
If the West Europe politicians walked anywhere close to do what they preach, massive war-like sanctions would have been already enacted weeks ago when it became clear Russia is preparing a full scale invasion. And not just sanctions on Russia, but on China as well, because Russia would never dare empty out its Far East garrisons from soldiers and equipment if not reassured by China. But that would mean a new cold war.
I think for Ukrainians only a quick surrender computes for obvious reasons - they do not face a genocide (except for the political activists) and they have no chances.
The West has lost its only opportunity to either deter or bleed out Russia by supplying arms to Ukraine, because Russia wants the Ukraine whole, people and land, and they would not use their tactical nukes there - either invasion or annihilation. But now imagine a neighbouring state sends troops and equipment - what do you think could happen?
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24.02.2022, 09:12
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The quote is still very unclear and obviously looks to anyone reading like you are criticizing greenmounts post. | | | | | Fine, corrected
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Ehhhrm....what?
You mean Germany is doing what they are supposed to do within EU i.e. take their EU partners into consideration?
Come again? I am not hearing you. | | | | |
Germany has EU partners?  You live in a dream world
In Eastern Europe, Germany mostly has EU slaves
Anyway, when looking East (EEMEA), Germany (an export oriented country) is mostly interested by the following countries: Poland, Russia, Turkey, Iran and to a lesser degree the Czech Republic and Saudi Arabia.
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24.02.2022, 09:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Leonie, Chuff: Everything is clear now, let's not start our own World War 3 here..
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24.02.2022, 09:15
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Here is a list of states where the Russian interests were addressed: Belarus, Kazakhstan and its neighbouring -stans, Chechnya, Armenia.
There is a certain unifying trait common to all these countries and it is easy to spot.
What makes one believe that if the now NATO-member countries were still in the "Russian sphere of influence", that they wouldn't be a Russian-aligned autocracies with impoverished populations, desolate kleptocratic economies and brutal security services assuring their subjection?
Thank you for stating the cynical truth - lets Russia subdue its own people and the other people we don't care about, but let's keep peace at home and
the economy running.
If the West Europe politicians walked anywhere close to do what they preach, massive war-like sanctions would have been already enacted weeks ago when it became clear Russia is preparing a full scale invasion. And not just sanctions on Russia, but on China as well, because Russia would never dare empty out its Far East garrisons from soldiers and equipment if not reassured by China. But that would mean a new cold war.
I think for Ukrainians only a quick surrender computes for obvious reasons - they do not face a genocide (except for the political activists) and they have no chances.
The West has lost its only opportunity to either deter or bleed out Russia by supplying arms to Ukraine, because Russia wants the Ukraine whole, people and land, and they would not use their tactical nukes there - either invasion or annihilation. But now imagine a neighbouring state sends troops and equipment - what do you think could happen? | | | | | a lot of shit float up these days with a few posts, suggesting what to do for ukrainians
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24.02.2022, 09:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | a lot of shit float up these days with a few posts, suggesting what to do for ukrainians | | | | | Don't feed the trolls.
It is a transparent scheme and old pattern on public fora.
If you ignore them, they might vanish and try to sell trolling somewhere else, "we're all stocked up here".
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Fine, correcred | | | | | No it isn't, it still says the same thing. | Quote: | |  | | | The best solution would to establish a confederation à la suisse comprising Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan and possibly Georgia. | | | | | I wonder whose alternate account this is.
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24.02.2022, 09:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Here is a list of states where the Russian interests were addressed: Belarus, Kazakhstan and its neighbouring -stans, Chechnya, Armenia. | | | | | Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation.
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24.02.2022, 09:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Russian people are not monsters… this comment was too much | | | | | russian people let the monster grown up. its their responsibility
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24.02.2022, 09:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Don't feed the trolls.
It is a transparent scheme and old pattern on public fora.
If you ignore them, they might vanish and try to sell trolling somewhere else, "we're all stocked up here". | | | | | its rather reminder for mods to do the job
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24.02.2022, 09:23
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | its rather reminder for mods to do the job | | | | | I already reported the most recent one.
Report it, don't engage.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | russian people let the monster grown up. its their responsibility | | | | |
Russian people, Ukrainians and Belarusians are pretty much the same people with very minor differences. There are far more similarities between these three than between Swiss Germans, Romands and Swiss Italians...
That's why the idea of a Confederation (see my previous post) is the only realistic solution. Anything else will lead to war and don't count on the Americans, British, Germans, Italians and French to go fight for Ukraine.
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24.02.2022, 09:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | a lot of shit float up these days with a few posts, suggesting what to do for ukrainians | | | | | Meanwhile Switzerland will not even join the EU/US sanctions agains Russia. Die Schweiz verzichtet auf Sanktionen gegen Russland
Unfortunate. Slammer should be happy.
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