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I think Russians living in the West need to prepare themselves for a new wave of Anti-Russian sentiment, because this invasion and ongoing media coverage is going to make Russia a dirty word for some time and sadly this will affect all of the good citizens worldwide too.
Kind of like the anti-American sentiment that's been around for quite a while...
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Sure he scores well. Media is controlled, no opposition to be seen and decades of pumping up nationalistic pride based on strength combined with a constant feeding of a sense of historical injustice. If you happen to be a well-off Moscovite professional with no political or oligarch connections, you tend to read western media, travel and see for yourself. However, the majority of the population is fed up a different diet and they know nothing else.
The Russian population are victims also. Opposition is crushed, their leaders always seem to meet terrible endings. Most are fed the Russian equivalent of Fox News.
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I think Russians living in the West need to prepare themselves for a new wave of Anti-Russian sentiment, because this invasion and ongoing media coverage is going to make Russia a dirty word for some time and sadly this will affect all of the good citizens worldwide too.
Anti-Russian sentiments have always been accepted (if not encouraged) it's not going to be anything new.
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Old 24.02.2022, 11:37
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The Russian population are victims also. Opposition is crushed, their leaders always seem to meet terrible endings. Most are fed the Russian equivalent of Fox News.
And they drink Vodka for fortification.
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Old 24.02.2022, 11:39
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Commander of armed forces asserts he's very popular among conscripted ground troops

Russia's military patriotic education - scary but true
https://www.lensculture.com/articles...ation#slide-16

I read the entire text of these laws... very scary... among other things they idealize sacrificing one's life for the motherland 😏
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It depends on what you define as strong. History is littered with David vs Goliath victories. Additionally, the "home advantage" is not to be underrated. However modern military equipment is making it harder for an under-equipped defence.

More relevant is the old saying "if you want peace, you must prepare for war". We must accept that Putin, like Hitler, has simply used diplomacy to buy time, and that Putin can only be stopped with military resistance (or the real threat thereof). Russians need to go home in body bags for this to stop.

Sadly, many, many people will die or suffer before this is over.
In this case though, Russia would be David and the West would be Goliath. The main difference is David has spent his time and money building up a war machine whereas Goliath has been more concerned about squandering money on illegal migrants and pretending gender isn’t real.
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In this case though, Russia would be David and the West would be Goliath. The main difference is David has spent his time and money building up a war machine whereas Goliath has been more concerned about squandering money on illegal migrants and pretending gender isn’t real.
The Ukraine is Goliath? Putin didn’t attack the west. He has invaded the Ukraine. Take your nonsensical agenda and fear of women, gays, and immigrants to a different thread.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Don't forget the huge rôle Johnson and the Conservatives in the UK have played in helping doing this, because they could fill their own pockets at the same time. And allowed Putin's Brexit- so he could divide and rule.

As well as Tump and co.
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The Ukraine is Goliath? Putin didn’t attack the west. He has invaded the Ukraine. Take your nonsensical agenda and fear of women, gays, and immigrants to a different thread.
They say this like NATO hasn't been battle tested for the last what.. 20 years?

And of course TC likes the post

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They say this like NATO hasn't been battle tested for the last what.. 20 years.

And of course TC likes the post
Well, they are Russian fanboys, at least they are consistent.
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Kind of like the anti-American sentiment that's been around for quite a while...
Not even on the same scale (in favour of the US).
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Now the major sanctions are being considered!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/putin...160319918.html

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Anti-Russian sentiments have always been accepted (if not encouraged) it's not going to be anything new.
To be honest, in the West, we're exposed to anti-Russia and anti-China propaganda. I'm sure in Russia and China, they have anti-US etc. propaganda. It's not that difficult to create an US vs Them mentality to manipulate the population.

When you meet people on a personal level, you realise that while everybody is different, in the end we're all people and have more in common than different.
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Don't forget the huge rôle Johnson and the Conservatives in the UK have played in helping doing this, because they could fill their own pockets at the same time. And allowed Putin's Brexit- so he could divide and rule.

As well as Tump and co.
How do you make this leap on today of all days? Boris Johnson has just given a very powerful speech. This now needs to be backed up with actions. Whilst the sanctions announced yesterday were pathetic let's be hopeful that something more substantial materializes today.

Also, the UK has been sending lethal weapons to Ukraine for months now. The planes that sent them had to avoid German airspace. Germany on the other hand offered some helmets.

So please put your disproven Brexit conspiracy theories on ice, at least for today.
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Old 24.02.2022, 13:27
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Proven beyond doubt. Have you read the Russian Report on interference.

A good article today

“[Putin’s] goal is to weaken the institutions, including Nato and the EU, that could thwart his neo-Soviet ambitions. The Kremlin was in mourning when Scotland narrowly voted to stay in the UK. Putin sees Europe as his enemy and wants his adversaries to be divided, smaller and weaker.

“Brexit isn’t simply an item on Putin’s wish list. Russia Today and Sputnik, Kremlin propaganda outlets that are inexplicably treated as legitimate news sources in the west, are full of Brexit articles.

“Putin always supports the most divisive elements in European politics, and hopes they will repay the favour by voting to end the EU sanctions placed on Russia after his invasion of Ukraine.''

Full article here: https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po..._campaign=sfeu


The Conservatives have allowed dirty Russian money to circulate in massive amounts in the UK, especially London- making them puppets of Putin too.

+ of course all the bunga-bunga parties Johnson has attended with Russian Oligarchs in Umbria- for many many years. They probably have enough photos and footage of those drunken, drug filled orgies to blackmail him to Kingdom come. Even in 2016, this was flagged up as a major security issue for the UK.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ny-as-11-times

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Old 24.02.2022, 13:31
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When you meet people on a personal level, you realise that while everybody is different, in the end we're all people and have more in common than different.
Exactly. Take the famous "Tank Man" footage from Tiananmen Square. Sure, it is remarkable that one man stood in front of a line of tanks...equally if not more remarkable is that the tank commander didn't mow him down. For a brief moment, empathy triumphed over ideology.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Neither proven nor disproven. Balance of probabilities? Take that to the Brexit discussion please. I'm sure there's one somewhere.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Sorry, it is all linked- and therefore valid here. Putin supported and encouraged Brexit, because it supported his aims- to divide and rule.
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To be honest, in the West, we're exposed to anti-Russia and anti-China propaganda. I'm sure in Russia and China, they have anti-US etc. propaganda. It's not that difficult to create an US vs Them mentality to manipulate the population.
I'm also pretty sure that any anti-Russian/China propaganda in the West pales is entirely overshadowed by propaganda machines of Putin and Xi. There really is no equivalence.

Putin seeking to destablise and weaken the West does not really have the feel of conspiracy theories. Because it does seem entirely in keeping with the way he acts. No conspiracy of shadowy groups is needed! Frankly, I'd be surprised if Russia didn't seek to influence Western politics for their gain. I'd be surprised if there aren't pro-Russian stooges on the larger online forums - or even small ones like this one.
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Sorry, but that's just stupid. Russia has no history of democracy. And the propaganda machine of the regime is unfortunately very efficient as it serves to take people's minds away from the problems at home. How is the US different? Oh yes, let's lump everyone in one pot for electing Trump. 🙄
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