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Old 24.02.2022, 13:43
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I'm not.

I'm also pretty sure that any anti-Russian/China propaganda in the West pales is entirely overshadowed by propaganda machines of Putin and Xi.
The Russian propaganda is much less professional compared to the Western one, and really badly done. I was watching the meeting of the Security Council of Russia where they one by one asked Putin to recognize the LDNR — this is embarrassing. There is absolutely nothing sophisticated in the Russian propaganda, it is surprisingly bad.
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Old 24.02.2022, 13:49
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The Russian propaganda is much less professional compared to the Western one...
Don't be naive. Russian troll-farms have been established for almost a decade and have become a separate industry which has had a massive influence on shaping public opinion in the west and impacting election outcomes in the UK, US and eastern European elections. You need to differentiate between a setup made purely for internal use in Russia (like the example you gave) and setups targeted at western audiences. If anything, the Russians are probably at the forefront right now in terms of propaganda.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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The Ukraine is Goliath? Putin didnít attack the west. He has invaded the Ukraine. Take your nonsensical agenda and fear of women, gays, and immigrants to a different thread.
The problem is Ukraine, goaded on by the West, poked the bear and are now finding out that the West doesnít actually care about them much at all other than to use them.

Where is Joe Biden now?
https://twitter.com/whatgives1313/st...83819818061825
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The Russian propaganda is much less professional compared to the Western one, and really badly done. I was watching the meeting of the Security Council of Russia where they one by one asked Putin to recognize the LDNR — this is embarrassing. There is absolutely nothing sophisticated in the Russian propaganda, it is surprisingly bad.
Whaaaaaa? No.

Russia encourages internet hacking, online financial scams (completely legal provided that those ripped off are outside of Russia), trolling (there’s a few here that fit the profile, EF would be wise to remove them), and has been proven to manipulate polling and media to influence elections.

I’m not saying other countries don’t do things of this sort, but Russia certainly has propaganda and other methods of steering things their way.

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Old 24.02.2022, 14:08
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trolling (thereís a few here that fit the profile, EF would be wise to remove them).
The ones you are referring to here on EF are the sadder version: they are true believers and are not even paid
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The problem is Ukraine, goaded on by the West, poked the bear and are now finding out that the West doesnít actually care about them much at all other than to use them.

Where is Joe Biden now?
https://twitter.com/whatgives1313/st...83819818061825
So this is the Ukraineís and Joe Bidenís fault? Wheeeeeew.

Абсолютно верно, товарищ.
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The ones you are referring to here on EF are the sadder version: they are true believers and are not even paid
Either way, Iím surprised that the site tolerates them.
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Old 24.02.2022, 14:13
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

maybe they had to invade as sergei accidentally gave away the game plan:

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Old 24.02.2022, 14:13
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The problem is Ukraine, goaded on by the West, poked the bear and are now finding out that the West doesnít actually care about them much at all other than to use them.

Where is Joe Biden now?
https://twitter.com/whatgives1313/st...83819818061825
How did they poak the bear?
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Old 24.02.2022, 14:16
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How did they poak the bear?
Goes back to a joke which I think I posted here

Russia: If Ukraine targets even one Russian we will respond forcefully to defend our compatriots!

*Ukraine doing nothing*

Russia: Damn, we have to do it ourselves then
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Old 24.02.2022, 14:28
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Live stream news of the situation in Ukraine

Following this mornings developments in Ukraine the UK defence journal has been carrying live updates of the fighting in Ukraine.

LIVE UPDATES - The Russian invasion of Ukraine by the UK Defence journal
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Old 24.02.2022, 14:33
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To be honest, in the West, we're exposed to anti-Russia and anti-China propaganda. I'm sure in Russia and China, they have anti-US etc. propaganda. It's not that difficult to create an US vs Them mentality to manipulate the population.

When you meet people on a personal level, you realise that while everybody is different, in the end we're all people and have more in common than different.
Well, you are also exposed to the Russian or Chinese anti-West propaganda but I totally agree with the second part of your post.
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Old 24.02.2022, 14:37
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The Conservatives have allowed dirty Russian money to circulate in massive amounts in the UK, especially London- making them puppets of Putin too.
Rich Russians with dubious income streams having been buying up London for decades and throughout the rule of various government.

I believe Abramovich, currently experiencing sanctions under the current government, bought Chelsea football club when Tony Blair* was in power.


*You may remember him. The U.K. sent its soldiers into war based on a pack of lies under his government.

The invasion in Ukraine, in contrast, is very real.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

This is quite amusing, and shows how things are staged with about as much sophistication as as a 70s sitcom (or "Get Smart" for those old enough to remember).

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...23-p59yu3.html
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Old 24.02.2022, 14:58
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I believe Abramovich, currently experiencing sanctions under the current government, bought Chelsea football club when Tony Blair* was in power.
A small correction: Abramovich was never sanctioned, at least not until now. He would have been unable to reside in the UK if he was. There was a separate drama with him, the UK and Switzerland when his UK visa expired and was not renewed, he applied for Swiss residence which was denied or he withdrew it, don't remember and is now back in the UK with his Israeli passport with which he doesn't need a visa for the UK.
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The problem is Ukraine, goaded on by the West, poked the bear
Of course. It's all the West's fault. Just like women who get beaten by their spouses provoked them. Poor Putin. He had no choice to invade after Ukraine said nasty things.
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I believe Abramovich, currently experiencing sanctions under the current government, bought Chelsea football club when Tony Blair* was in power.
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A small correction: Abramovich was never sanctioned, at least not until now.

I believe "currently" has the same meaning, in this context at least, as "now".
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Old 24.02.2022, 15:41
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Europe will never learn! I mean really? SWIFT exclusion is off the table? Oil, gas and grain sanctions coupled with SWIFT exclusion would have turned Russia into a very different country in less than a year. This is so short-sighted, it's truly annoying. What needs to happen for Brussels to wake up?

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...ay-2022-02-24/
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Europe will never learn! I mean really? SWIFT exclusion is off the table? Oil, gas and grain sanctions coupled with SWIFT exclusion would have turned Russia into a very different country in less than a year. This is so short-sighted, it's truly annoying. What needs to happen to Brussels to wake up?

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...ay-2022-02-24/
They are awoken and tending to their interests.
For example when Olaf Scholz visited US just a few weeks ago, the Nord Stream 2 wasn't even on the table for him.
https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-...rd-2022-02-07/

If Western Europe were serious about countering Russia, they would have acted weeks if not months ago.
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He had no choice to invade after Ukraine said nasty things.

Nope. He had no choice after Ukraine did dangerous things
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